Episode 13: Jesse Prince, Scientology's 'Expert Witness' and David Miscavige's former auditor
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Episode 13: Jesse Prince, Scientology's 'Expert Witness' and David Miscavige's former auditor
We've kept in touch with Jesse since his 2018 memoir came out, and we knew he'd have some surprising things to say about Scientology
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Tony Ortega
Tony Ortega has been investigating and writing about the Church of Scientology since 1995, and daily since 2012 at The Underground Bunker. The Underground Bunker podcast allows him to discuss that news with important sources who know David Miscavige's cabal better than anyone.
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Episode 13: Jesse Prince, Scientology's 'Expert Witness' and David Miscavige's former auditor
I remember when the show down between Jesse and the top brass happened, that moment was hushed up like no other moment in Miscavige's life. It could have turned out different if Miscavige hadn't buckled, and Jesse hadn't been reasonable and did the right thing and NOT play into Miscavige's nastiness.
Jesse is so right, it's more the second gen Sea Orgers (Miscavige included) who had no real life experience who thought they could do this kind of semi violence stuff that Miscavige dished out. (But Marty was an exception, Marty was first gen and violent way way too much.).
When I was getting my "quals" re-checked for becoming Int Base staff, the HR person had to ask me how I thought about violence, of people fighting, and people getting pushy and hitting one another.
I was a first gen Sea Orger, and where I grew up, you didn't do that type of bullying hitting and superior to subordinate slapping, punching, screaming, that was just insane stuff that ends up a police incident because someone gets hurt.
Second gen Scientologist staff bought into that stuff due to their ignorance of norms and laws in the real world.
Of the books "academics" have written about cults and religious cults, they get into the violence sub subject superficially.
A book on Scientology's Miscavige's era of violence needs to be done and the audience is police and those who have to deal with the fallout of Miscavige's era of violence.
It's not something you want to incite, but police need to know what second gen Sea Org and Scientologists who haven't real world norms in their brains, are capable of doing.
Hubbard wrote "Knowledge Reports" poicy, and Hubbard wrote the "....if you see WDC SMI spit on him for me...." so Hubbard is to blame ultimately also.
Religions just ought not have staff beating up each other, at any time, it's just not religious.
(I remember Jesse when he came from PAC to Clearwater, to be in the Int Training Org, do his "NOTs training" and he became Cramming Officer briefly, before Jesse went to become the very first "IG Cramming Officer" at Int Base in RTC.
The LRH "IG Cramming Officer" traffic and writeup from LRH has stuff in it that is still to this day key functions of what RTC was to be to the rest of the Int Base staff.
Jesse executed LRH's direct orders to run and pilot the False Purpose Rundown on the top execs at Int Base, including on Miscavige.
Jesse knows intimately the final years of LRH's traffic.
Expert witness for real.
So many stories Jesse could tell, and many of them hilarious and many of them tragic.
I got to read his book again, I thought he needed more in depth interviewing.
Questions for Jesse:
a) What does Jesse think about the "OT 10" worksheet with the ridiculously long date on it, which Pat Broeker held up at the LRH Death Event? Does Jesse think there is any "research" that is going on there at that moment, namely Hubbard looking so far back on the time track, that he's poking around to see if there is some other kind of "charge" on his case which needs addressing?
b) Has Jesse ever heard of William James' "The Varieties of Religious Experience" as that book still is taught in ivy league universities for context as to the wide wide gamut of "religious experiences" and God, and drug experiences, etc, etc. (It's how I told myself Scientology is just another one of those groups that tries sell it's unique type of quack therapy and exorcism to supposedly achieve some type of alleviating "soul" "religious" experience,and supposedly regain one's soul powers---is how I put Scientology as bad and nasty as it is, into "religious experience" context, since some members did go exterior doing the Hubbard quackery.).
Chuck Beatty
ex Team Xenu 75 to 03
I have to admit, I came too late on the scene to have anything but a thumbnail sketch of Jesse Prince and what he has done in and out of scientology.
I THOROUGHLY enjoyed this interview and appreciate having a better understanding of him.
Being in my 70’s he made me laugh with his statement about where he is now with his attention and just trying to “cruise on out of here.”
My best wishes to him.