When Tampa federal Judge Thomas Barber forced into “religious arbitration” the labor trafficking lawsuit filed against Scientology by former Sea Org workers Valeska Paris and Gawain and Laura Baxter because of contracts they had signed as employees, he said he couldn’t consider their claims that they had been coerced to sign those contracts because a Supreme Court ruling tied his hands.
Is there any legal reason why Valerie can't just wear a wire into her fake arbitration session and publicize it? Hard to get good video in that situation without being caught, but audio would be easy.
If the lawyers screech about it, just point out that according to Hubbard all such proceedings are supposed to be recorded on cassette tape. For ironic media points, the recordings could be provided to the judge in that format.
My guess is that even the threat of that in this backdoor comments section that nobody but a few hard-core Scientology critics and OSA ever read might be enough to end the arbitration proceedings toute-suite. We can only hope.
I like the way you think. In this day and age, with AI's help, there must be some unobtrusive spy equipment with audio/video combined that a company or the inventor could officially name "Cassette" for such a purpose. Perhaps Valeska Paris & Gawain, and Laura Baxter need visual and/or hearing enhancement so they can clearly understand what is said in the facke arbitration, blah, blah, blah.
Legally, the audio recording could be justified, apparently by Hubbard's own words. Does Hubbard specify 'who' is to do the recording? If not, that might be a way around the legal issue. Of course, appeals would happen.
Might a Class-Action law suit before Judge Barber with multiple plaintiffs be another venue that could work?
As a Techie, can you invent such a hearing aid and give it the official name "Cassette?"
Hubbard had the secretary of the Committee of Evidence doing the recording. It is not clear from the accounts of the arbitration proceeding as to who is the secretary or if there is one.
Hubbard's setup calls for recordings, transcripts and submission to the Convening Authority (a local executive like the Commanding Officer of the organization). If they are actually doing this, there is a complete record. Usually this is not made available to the Interested Parties (defendants). But there should be a very detailed report called the Findings and Recommendations that would typically be publicly available.
I suspect that they are doing none of this and are just winging it at the direction of Dave Miscavige.
As far as the technology is concerned, I am sure Jeffrey Augustine could point us in the right direction. The idea of using hearing aid electronics is genius BUT they are probably disallowing cell phones. It would be trivially easy to monitor the Bluetooth feature of a hearing aid, but this would involve RF energy around 2.4 GHz. Since they set up the venue, they probably have RF sniffers of all kinds to alert them to bugs etc. This would throw a red flag on the Bluetooth spectrum.
My guess is an old fashioned wired recorder, as they use in the TV "The Wire", would work best. No RF transmissions to be detected by bug scanners and so on. It just records. Then we can copy it to a cassette for submission the judge as a joke, also releasing it on YouTube with a transcript and Scientology-to-English running translation.
What we are really seeing here is a battle of the brainwashed. The cultists are still in the bubble and can't really understand why Valerie doesn't think as they do. They think they can reactivate Valerie's brainwashing by shouting at her. With that done it would be easy to get her to "Do what Ron would do" and drop the lawsuit. Ideally with lots of public apologies and so on.
Impossible and stupid as long as Valerie stays strong, but the longer this drags on and the more money is wasted on attorney fees etc. the more likely we are to see a disastrous result.
But justice cannot be denied forever.
Like this quote from Peter S. Beagle's "The Last Unicorn":
"The true secret in being a hero lies in knowing the order of things. The swineherd cannot already be wed to the princess when he embarks on his adventures, nor can the boy knock on the witch's door when she is already away on vacation. The wicked uncle cannot be found out and foiled before he does something wicked. Things must happen when it is time for them to happen. Quests may not simply be abandoned; prophecies may not be left to rot like unpicked fruit; unicorns may go unrescued for a very long time, but not forever. The happy ending cannot come in the middle of the story."
When Scientology bullied its way into tax exemption 31 years ago, they won more than the right to not pay taxes, they won the right to hide the abuses they committed on their indentured servants. It’s time the IRS took off their blinders and cut Miscavige down to size. I know what Scientology did back then, but Miscavige has effectively decimated the internal membership since then. What is it going to take to get them to do something?
Hubbard was clear in his policies regarding what he thought about our justice system and that gaming it to protect the only sane(insane) organization on the planet. He said, use the best greedy, immoral lawyers you can find and lie, lie, lie. I don’t think there is any organization in the world that is so surreptitiously so immoral.
Read the Scientology ethics book. It’s full of manipulative half truths and control mechanisms.
I feel for Valeska and the Baxters. I appreciate what they have gone through to expose the cults criminal activity’s.
This ruling, like all rulings accepting the "arbitration" clauses in the contracts forced on its victims by the criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology, is awful. The proper authorities should be handling this, not civil litigants, and the courts very much should not hand all authority to the Co$.
Sometimes, the Law is an ass. When will the electorate fix that? Given all that is going on in the world today, fixing bogus 'arbitration' laws is far down the to-do list. Keep up the fight ladies, the way out is the way through or maybe just look for the exit sign.
Disgusting.
Is there any legal reason why Valerie can't just wear a wire into her fake arbitration session and publicize it? Hard to get good video in that situation without being caught, but audio would be easy.
If the lawyers screech about it, just point out that according to Hubbard all such proceedings are supposed to be recorded on cassette tape. For ironic media points, the recordings could be provided to the judge in that format.
My guess is that even the threat of that in this backdoor comments section that nobody but a few hard-core Scientology critics and OSA ever read might be enough to end the arbitration proceedings toute-suite. We can only hope.
I like the way you think. In this day and age, with AI's help, there must be some unobtrusive spy equipment with audio/video combined that a company or the inventor could officially name "Cassette" for such a purpose. Perhaps Valeska Paris & Gawain, and Laura Baxter need visual and/or hearing enhancement so they can clearly understand what is said in the facke arbitration, blah, blah, blah.
Legally, the audio recording could be justified, apparently by Hubbard's own words. Does Hubbard specify 'who' is to do the recording? If not, that might be a way around the legal issue. Of course, appeals would happen.
Might a Class-Action law suit before Judge Barber with multiple plaintiffs be another venue that could work?
As a Techie, can you invent such a hearing aid and give it the official name "Cassette?"
Hubbard had the secretary of the Committee of Evidence doing the recording. It is not clear from the accounts of the arbitration proceeding as to who is the secretary or if there is one.
Hubbard's setup calls for recordings, transcripts and submission to the Convening Authority (a local executive like the Commanding Officer of the organization). If they are actually doing this, there is a complete record. Usually this is not made available to the Interested Parties (defendants). But there should be a very detailed report called the Findings and Recommendations that would typically be publicly available.
I suspect that they are doing none of this and are just winging it at the direction of Dave Miscavige.
As far as the technology is concerned, I am sure Jeffrey Augustine could point us in the right direction. The idea of using hearing aid electronics is genius BUT they are probably disallowing cell phones. It would be trivially easy to monitor the Bluetooth feature of a hearing aid, but this would involve RF energy around 2.4 GHz. Since they set up the venue, they probably have RF sniffers of all kinds to alert them to bugs etc. This would throw a red flag on the Bluetooth spectrum.
My guess is an old fashioned wired recorder, as they use in the TV "The Wire", would work best. No RF transmissions to be detected by bug scanners and so on. It just records. Then we can copy it to a cassette for submission the judge as a joke, also releasing it on YouTube with a transcript and Scientology-to-English running translation.
What we are really seeing here is a battle of the brainwashed. The cultists are still in the bubble and can't really understand why Valerie doesn't think as they do. They think they can reactivate Valerie's brainwashing by shouting at her. With that done it would be easy to get her to "Do what Ron would do" and drop the lawsuit. Ideally with lots of public apologies and so on.
Impossible and stupid as long as Valerie stays strong, but the longer this drags on and the more money is wasted on attorney fees etc. the more likely we are to see a disastrous result.
But justice cannot be denied forever.
Like this quote from Peter S. Beagle's "The Last Unicorn":
"The true secret in being a hero lies in knowing the order of things. The swineherd cannot already be wed to the princess when he embarks on his adventures, nor can the boy knock on the witch's door when she is already away on vacation. The wicked uncle cannot be found out and foiled before he does something wicked. Things must happen when it is time for them to happen. Quests may not simply be abandoned; prophecies may not be left to rot like unpicked fruit; unicorns may go unrescued for a very long time, but not forever. The happy ending cannot come in the middle of the story."
When Scientology bullied its way into tax exemption 31 years ago, they won more than the right to not pay taxes, they won the right to hide the abuses they committed on their indentured servants. It’s time the IRS took off their blinders and cut Miscavige down to size. I know what Scientology did back then, but Miscavige has effectively decimated the internal membership since then. What is it going to take to get them to do something?
Hubbard was clear in his policies regarding what he thought about our justice system and that gaming it to protect the only sane(insane) organization on the planet. He said, use the best greedy, immoral lawyers you can find and lie, lie, lie. I don’t think there is any organization in the world that is so surreptitiously so immoral.
Read the Scientology ethics book. It’s full of manipulative half truths and control mechanisms.
I feel for Valeska and the Baxters. I appreciate what they have gone through to expose the cults criminal activity’s.
Thanks, Tony.
This ruling, like all rulings accepting the "arbitration" clauses in the contracts forced on its victims by the criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology, is awful. The proper authorities should be handling this, not civil litigants, and the courts very much should not hand all authority to the Co$.
Stay strong, Valeska!
Sometimes, the Law is an ass. When will the electorate fix that? Given all that is going on in the world today, fixing bogus 'arbitration' laws is far down the to-do list. Keep up the fight ladies, the way out is the way through or maybe just look for the exit sign.
Sometimes???!! I'd like to see these proceedings and others moved to CommonLawCourt.com. Nuff said.
There is NO justice!!! Just can't help but wonder how much bribes cost these days?!