If someone who has authority over you tells you to skip the funeral - you might be in a cult!
If they make light of your wish to see your children - you might be in a cult!
Having rejected his own parents, Hubbard was obsessed with being everybody's daddy. Never works out.
Funny not funny, I know. A real one to lighten the mood - "If you've ever had to climb a water tower to protect your sister's honor - you might be a redneck!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYKXIrZ6w3A
During my time in Scientology from 1981 to 1988, there was never another family member involved. If there was and that family member fell out of favor with the organization, I could never bring myself to disconnect from a parent or brother or sister. Any Scientology member who has disconnected from a family member has a serious ethical problem. Those type of people and the cult of Scientology deserve each other.
Me similar, my whole wasted 27 years in Sea Org. Several of my immediate family thought Scientology was as crazy as the tabloids depicted it. But I was such a meticulous close reader of the "handle or disconnect" references by Hubbard, I always always chose the "handle" route, never ever disconnecting, which obviously is insane.
Hubbard was mentally off, period and like the Judge said, in effect, and also like Arthur C. Clarke said, LRH was nuts and made other people nuts.
Bad "source" code, that's Hubbard's indoctrination material. (One loophole was the Hubbard "if it's not true for you it's not true", and one has to learn to use that to NOT do the Hubbard dogma regulations if one does NOT believe it is true. So I never ever believed disconnection was right to do, so never did it.).
Many infamous people throughout history like L. Ron Hubbard, Al Capone, Hitler and Stalin, were smart and capable. It's unfortunate that they didn't put their capabilities to good and positive use.
".... Rather than trying to be conciliatory towards his critics, Hubbard decided to deal with them by attacking them and ordering his followers to break off contact with concerned family members. It was a striking demonstration of Hubbard’s authoritarian tendencies, but it may also have reflected his experiences with his own family...." - Chris Owen. (above article)
"...conciliatory". Chris Owen mentions this is not part of Scientology Hubbard's rules.
So true, Hubbard chose the word "handle or disconnect" so "handle" is Hubbard's operative word. (OSA's "Handling Programs" are far far far from conciliatory.)
Conciliation just not a Scientology thing.
Scientologists honestly are crippled stuck within the Hubbard options.
This is a fundamental self caused controversial part of Scientology, directly L. Ron Hubbard's fault.
(I have to say though, I've been in touch with splinter Scientologists who don't punish themselves with Hubbard's "handle and disconnect" so harmfully. So my conclusion is official Scientology is where extremist nastiest of Hubbard's regulations are more ruinously occurring.)
I was not aware of the fact that Hubbard's father was a Naval officer. This was a classic 'lightbulb' moment for me. I have always wondered (as a never-in) why the obsession with the Navy and the uniforms and giant Navy hats.
LRH was always trying to one-up Daddy! ! This simply reinforces my long-held conviction that this contemptible human had a personality disorder at birth . His mental disorder charted the energy, force and power to drive the kult into the torturous device that it is.
This is a top short excellent accurate coverage of Hubbard's 1940s major turmoils with his wife and parents.
This all makes clear sense vs the bitter view Hubbard gave of his family and parent's supposed abandonment of him.
This is the other side which Hubbard never was able to view, and thus faithful Scientologists won't ever learn the above views of the Hubbard family.
This is a key piece of "after instruction" that all Scientologists who quit Scientology ought to learn.
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I remember even when I was on the RPF's RPF, in the LA public library, because I insisted on going to the Library while I was "routing out" (doing the paperwork and idiotic requirements to leave Sea Org from the LA RPF), it was so major to first read Chris Owen's "Ron" articles about Hubbard's real Navy history.
Chris Owen's writings on Hubbard should all be part of the disembarking required reading of quitters of Scientology.
This is a top "keeper" and worthy all time pick of information to read and re-read, as one lets go of Hubbard's Scientology indoctrination.
I so respect your recommendation to read Chris Owen:
... "Chris Owen's writings on Hubbard should all be part of the disembarking required reading of quitters of Scientology. This is a top "keeper" and worthy all time pick of information to read and re-read, as one lets go of Hubbard's Scientology indoctrination." .....
Your compassion for those folks left behind in the kult is admirable !!
Channeling Jeff Foxworthy -
If someone who has authority over you tells you to skip the funeral - you might be in a cult!
If they make light of your wish to see your children - you might be in a cult!
Having rejected his own parents, Hubbard was obsessed with being everybody's daddy. Never works out.
Funny not funny, I know. A real one to lighten the mood - "If you've ever had to climb a water tower to protect your sister's honor - you might be a redneck!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYKXIrZ6w3A
During my time in Scientology from 1981 to 1988, there was never another family member involved. If there was and that family member fell out of favor with the organization, I could never bring myself to disconnect from a parent or brother or sister. Any Scientology member who has disconnected from a family member has a serious ethical problem. Those type of people and the cult of Scientology deserve each other.
Me similar, my whole wasted 27 years in Sea Org. Several of my immediate family thought Scientology was as crazy as the tabloids depicted it. But I was such a meticulous close reader of the "handle or disconnect" references by Hubbard, I always always chose the "handle" route, never ever disconnecting, which obviously is insane.
Hubbard was mentally off, period and like the Judge said, in effect, and also like Arthur C. Clarke said, LRH was nuts and made other people nuts.
Bad "source" code, that's Hubbard's indoctrination material. (One loophole was the Hubbard "if it's not true for you it's not true", and one has to learn to use that to NOT do the Hubbard dogma regulations if one does NOT believe it is true. So I never ever believed disconnection was right to do, so never did it.).
Many infamous people throughout history like L. Ron Hubbard, Al Capone, Hitler and Stalin, were smart and capable. It's unfortunate that they didn't put their capabilities to good and positive use.
The Hubster was perfect example of parenting and family values. Perfectly wrong...
".... Rather than trying to be conciliatory towards his critics, Hubbard decided to deal with them by attacking them and ordering his followers to break off contact with concerned family members. It was a striking demonstration of Hubbard’s authoritarian tendencies, but it may also have reflected his experiences with his own family...." - Chris Owen. (above article)
"...conciliatory". Chris Owen mentions this is not part of Scientology Hubbard's rules.
So true, Hubbard chose the word "handle or disconnect" so "handle" is Hubbard's operative word. (OSA's "Handling Programs" are far far far from conciliatory.)
Conciliation just not a Scientology thing.
Scientologists honestly are crippled stuck within the Hubbard options.
This is a fundamental self caused controversial part of Scientology, directly L. Ron Hubbard's fault.
(I have to say though, I've been in touch with splinter Scientologists who don't punish themselves with Hubbard's "handle and disconnect" so harmfully. So my conclusion is official Scientology is where extremist nastiest of Hubbard's regulations are more ruinously occurring.)
I was not aware of the fact that Hubbard's father was a Naval officer. This was a classic 'lightbulb' moment for me. I have always wondered (as a never-in) why the obsession with the Navy and the uniforms and giant Navy hats.
LRH was always trying to one-up Daddy! ! This simply reinforces my long-held conviction that this contemptible human had a personality disorder at birth . His mental disorder charted the energy, force and power to drive the kult into the torturous device that it is.
You're so right and not alone. Further proof is Ron's calling himself "Commodore" thus making him higher ranked than daddy.
This is a top short excellent accurate coverage of Hubbard's 1940s major turmoils with his wife and parents.
This all makes clear sense vs the bitter view Hubbard gave of his family and parent's supposed abandonment of him.
This is the other side which Hubbard never was able to view, and thus faithful Scientologists won't ever learn the above views of the Hubbard family.
This is a key piece of "after instruction" that all Scientologists who quit Scientology ought to learn.
-----------------------------
I remember even when I was on the RPF's RPF, in the LA public library, because I insisted on going to the Library while I was "routing out" (doing the paperwork and idiotic requirements to leave Sea Org from the LA RPF), it was so major to first read Chris Owen's "Ron" articles about Hubbard's real Navy history.
Chris Owen's writings on Hubbard should all be part of the disembarking required reading of quitters of Scientology.
This is a top "keeper" and worthy all time pick of information to read and re-read, as one lets go of Hubbard's Scientology indoctrination.
I so respect your recommendation to read Chris Owen:
... "Chris Owen's writings on Hubbard should all be part of the disembarking required reading of quitters of Scientology. This is a top "keeper" and worthy all time pick of information to read and re-read, as one lets go of Hubbard's Scientology indoctrination." .....
Your compassion for those folks left behind in the kult is admirable !!