What a waste of people's time and their talent! And most of the Ideal Org staff don't know that the secret "upper levels" of Scientology consist of exorcism/soul-freeing Xenu's earth dumped body-thetans, since OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 steps of the Hubbard quackery stepladder in official Scientology aim to clean off invisible ghosts/souls that infest their human bodies. Xenu's body-thetans are the target of Hubbard's OT 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. (Xenu the space alien who dumped surplus "implanted" tax dodging "souls" aka body-thetans, onto earth, which today hitchhike and infest all humans on earth unbeknownst to all normal humans that we have these hitchhiking extra souls which leak their "implanted" bad memories which Xenu "implanted" into them, which now we suffer from too.)
sounds like snipe hunting legalized hiding under the mantle of "religion" but the tiny degree of legitimacy of Scientology is just this souls/ghosts exorcism secret practices though.
And the Ideal Org staffs don't even know this. They are consumed in the Hubbard cult paperpushing writings and lectures by Hubbard, the massive "OEC/FEBC" "Course".
If not for all Hubbard's massive intertwining paperpushing policies for running the cult, the Ideal Org "church" staffers wouldn't be bamboozled so dreadfully. It's all futile, since at the end of the Hubbard long runway of quackery courses and exorcism and the past lives fake therapy, no one gains supernatural abilities.
It's a horribly long false promising group with highly regimented quackery with its gauntlet of paperpushers trained up the ying yang on the Hubbard cult bureaucracy regulations.
I wasted 27 years until I got enough finally above it, to realize there were no supernatural people produced by this Hubbard quackery layout. People naturally grow up, and some who were decent to begin with, and who didn't fall into the nasty bully role model, who lasted, ran pockets of the movement somewhat sanely and decently. Most get overwhelmed by the setup Hubbard made a huge blaming setup, all the staff are blamed, all the public even get blamed, and all because everyone fails to made the quackery work.
The best summary final statement that still rings in my head, is Shelly Brit, once the RTC Marketing boss, she quit finally, and she said: "You can't sell this stuff."
You can't sell quackery, it simply is the biggest bottom level problem.
The quackery doesn't save humanity, it's bogus, so ALL the staffs and public are left holding the bag. Just like in snipe hunting, where the duped young boy scouts during their first camping overnight trips, are initiated by being placed and then left out in the forest, in the dark, holding open a bag, waiting for their fellow scouts to drive "snipe" birds to run into the bag the dupe is holding. Their fellow in the know scouts, to this gag, go hit the sack and leave the newbie scouts out in the forrest, "holding the bag."
Scientologists are given their roles by Hubbard, and all are drumming snipes into bags, thinking they are getting the grand "OT" supernatural powers, but none actually do.
It's a big pretend "game" playing along with the Hubbard quackery highly established paperworking staffs who man the Ideal Orgs, pretending to rise up in spiritual abilities.
Crock. Xenu's body-thetans exorcism is snipe hunting.
I always today in hindsight see the Ideal Org staffs as the newbie scouts left out in the forest, holding the bag.
I agree there were good people on staff who as you say, 'didn't fall into the nasty bully role model'. Unfortunately, there were many who did. I've said before that I've never seen so many dumb and ignorant people under one roof as I saw at my local org. Scientology has a well earned bad reputation. It will be a day for celebration if it completely folds and becomes just a bad memory in history.
Simple explanation for the 6000+ points at the ideal orgs. The new OEC training program teachs a new points system. That’s my theory. And those newly trained staff are hammering it home.
Making sure all their eke out every point. Even the rats and mice who show up at the org are considered new starts. :-)
Scientology info about their stats and membership is so dishonest and misleading. They claim millions of members around the world. In their membership numbers they not only include active members but everyone who has bought a book or who has only been in to write a free personality test. Including anyone who has never done even one course is very misleading.
Years ago, I used the OED (Oxford English Dictionary) and FEEBLE (Fairly Ensconced Edible Blue Legal Eats) to make blueberry pancakes. That makes me a OED/FEEBLE graduate. Where's my big certificate?
Winning the birthday game is much like winning the 'Most Improved' trophy in any bowling league. And that title is just as useful in everyday life.
I'm sure it's quite true that Scientology's membership around the world peaked around the mid 90s if not sooner. Here in Toronto, the org was on Yonge St, the main street of downtown Toronto. In 2013 it closed supposedly for renovations. Now in 2025 it's still closed and been boarded up for the past 12 years. The Toronto org is now in a smaller facility in a remote area of the city with little foot traffic. When I was unfortunately involved in Scientology in the 80's, I would estimate that at most there were about 200 active members in Toronto. That's not many in a city of over 2 million people.
What a waste of people's time and their talent! And most of the Ideal Org staff don't know that the secret "upper levels" of Scientology consist of exorcism/soul-freeing Xenu's earth dumped body-thetans, since OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 steps of the Hubbard quackery stepladder in official Scientology aim to clean off invisible ghosts/souls that infest their human bodies. Xenu's body-thetans are the target of Hubbard's OT 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. (Xenu the space alien who dumped surplus "implanted" tax dodging "souls" aka body-thetans, onto earth, which today hitchhike and infest all humans on earth unbeknownst to all normal humans that we have these hitchhiking extra souls which leak their "implanted" bad memories which Xenu "implanted" into them, which now we suffer from too.)
sounds like snipe hunting legalized hiding under the mantle of "religion" but the tiny degree of legitimacy of Scientology is just this souls/ghosts exorcism secret practices though.
And the Ideal Org staffs don't even know this. They are consumed in the Hubbard cult paperpushing writings and lectures by Hubbard, the massive "OEC/FEBC" "Course".
If not for all Hubbard's massive intertwining paperpushing policies for running the cult, the Ideal Org "church" staffers wouldn't be bamboozled so dreadfully. It's all futile, since at the end of the Hubbard long runway of quackery courses and exorcism and the past lives fake therapy, no one gains supernatural abilities.
It's a horribly long false promising group with highly regimented quackery with its gauntlet of paperpushers trained up the ying yang on the Hubbard cult bureaucracy regulations.
I wasted 27 years until I got enough finally above it, to realize there were no supernatural people produced by this Hubbard quackery layout. People naturally grow up, and some who were decent to begin with, and who didn't fall into the nasty bully role model, who lasted, ran pockets of the movement somewhat sanely and decently. Most get overwhelmed by the setup Hubbard made a huge blaming setup, all the staff are blamed, all the public even get blamed, and all because everyone fails to made the quackery work.
The best summary final statement that still rings in my head, is Shelly Brit, once the RTC Marketing boss, she quit finally, and she said: "You can't sell this stuff."
You can't sell quackery, it simply is the biggest bottom level problem.
The quackery doesn't save humanity, it's bogus, so ALL the staffs and public are left holding the bag. Just like in snipe hunting, where the duped young boy scouts during their first camping overnight trips, are initiated by being placed and then left out in the forest, in the dark, holding open a bag, waiting for their fellow scouts to drive "snipe" birds to run into the bag the dupe is holding. Their fellow in the know scouts, to this gag, go hit the sack and leave the newbie scouts out in the forrest, "holding the bag."
Scientologists are given their roles by Hubbard, and all are drumming snipes into bags, thinking they are getting the grand "OT" supernatural powers, but none actually do.
It's a big pretend "game" playing along with the Hubbard quackery highly established paperworking staffs who man the Ideal Orgs, pretending to rise up in spiritual abilities.
Crock. Xenu's body-thetans exorcism is snipe hunting.
I always today in hindsight see the Ideal Org staffs as the newbie scouts left out in the forest, holding the bag.
I agree there were good people on staff who as you say, 'didn't fall into the nasty bully role model'. Unfortunately, there were many who did. I've said before that I've never seen so many dumb and ignorant people under one roof as I saw at my local org. Scientology has a well earned bad reputation. It will be a day for celebration if it completely folds and becomes just a bad memory in history.
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Simple explanation for the 6000+ points at the ideal orgs. The new OEC training program teachs a new points system. That’s my theory. And those newly trained staff are hammering it home.
Making sure all their eke out every point. Even the rats and mice who show up at the org are considered new starts. :-)
Scientology info about their stats and membership is so dishonest and misleading. They claim millions of members around the world. In their membership numbers they not only include active members but everyone who has bought a book or who has only been in to write a free personality test. Including anyone who has never done even one course is very misleading.
Years ago, I used the OED (Oxford English Dictionary) and FEEBLE (Fairly Ensconced Edible Blue Legal Eats) to make blueberry pancakes. That makes me a OED/FEEBLE graduate. Where's my big certificate?
Winning the birthday game is much like winning the 'Most Improved' trophy in any bowling league. And that title is just as useful in everyday life.
I'm sure it's quite true that Scientology's membership around the world peaked around the mid 90s if not sooner. Here in Toronto, the org was on Yonge St, the main street of downtown Toronto. In 2013 it closed supposedly for renovations. Now in 2025 it's still closed and been boarded up for the past 12 years. The Toronto org is now in a smaller facility in a remote area of the city with little foot traffic. When I was unfortunately involved in Scientology in the 80's, I would estimate that at most there were about 200 active members in Toronto. That's not many in a city of over 2 million people.
I feel for Jane Doe having to wait 3 years for a hearing. So unfair.