We’ve been getting a lot of feedback to the questions we raised about the Whitney Mills lawsuit, Scientology’s response, and what Scientologists learn about L. Ron Hubbard’s concept of “dropping the body” — in other words, a thetan leaving a body to end one lifetime and then begin another. We thought you’d want to see this eye-opening example from one of our favorite contributors, Sunny Pereira.
I knew Evelyn Bowers. She was a long time SO member and auditor at ASHO Day. She was very good at her job. It surprised me that she was busted to the RPF. And I was angered to hear they would even put an 89 year old on the RPF. That MAA was right about one thing: it was out PR to have an 89 year old running around on the RPF. But he only gave her two choices. He didn't give her an obvious third choice. That was to leave the SO to go live with relatives and get the rest she deserved. I have seen it with other old SO members. If they had a stroke or some medical thing, they would be offloaded to family members and leave the SO to ago live with them. This is what should have happened with her. I love Evelyn's spunk and character. She sure put that punk MAA in his place with, "what, you want me to come back when I'm 110 years old?" RIP Evelyn.
I always used to think of that Eagle's song "Desperado". "You'd better let somebody love you, before it's too late". I heard that album a lot at the Int Base, mainly because it was the only cassette Shawn Morrison had when we were working on designing the Music Studio, there in the Garage.
If you truly believe that this life is just a jot or tittle on the vast tapestry of existence, your parents and loved ones just a trivial detail, then maybe suicide to cure a hangnail makes sense. Just hitting the reset button. Rinse, repeat.
It's a lie, but once you believe a lie it becomes a trap. How many have to die to make dead Hubbard's fantasy real?
Sorry, 72-year-old white guy feeling a little mortal today.
And who was the audience for this PR exercise (making the RPF look good)? No-one but other victims of the mind-fuck perpetrated by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. Lying to outsiders, lying to each other, lying to themselves. And calling it “freedom.”
Evelyn Bowers was a perfect example of British 'bloody mindedness'. The MMA and his 'superiors' showed exactly how much they valued Evelyn's many years of service. Now, don't be a bother, just die and make those higher up on the totem pole think they look better. Can't have the old fogies in the PR pictures, we want 14 year old girls in halter tops and hot pants, that will bring in the right clientele.
I was at the local United Way one day when a woman named Helen came in. She was 89. She was on the board of directors. She had an animated discussion with the executive director, then stopped to chat with the volunteer force working on putting together whatever we were doing right then. All of a sudden she glanced at her watch and said “Oh, gotta run, I need to deliver meals to old people.” And she hurried out.
I know people 20 years younger than me who think they are old, and they act it too. Getting older does entail a certain loss of dignity in some areas as you have to learn to ask for help doing things you could once do alone. However, that doesn’t mean you are required to act old. Evelyn doesn’t sound like she acted old. She certainly didn’t deserve the treatment she was given in the Sea Org, but no one does.
If being old in Sea Org is a crime, the aging exec strata (which is no longer in existence), including Lesevre, Jentzsch and others like that, if they are still even alive, must all be in a position right now where they are being badgered to drop their bodies daily.
Thank you Sunny for this story. I was just thinking yesterday about how I hadn't recalled seeing you around here lately and I am glad we get to 'hear' your voice again.
Good story, Sunny. It perfectly illustrates what a sociopath Hubbard was. And his policies reflect that. He only cared about a person if they were “useful” to him. If not bye bye. And that mentality permeates staff and cherch members mentality more than ever.
So if you are not useful to Scientology go away and die someplace where you will not become an inconvenience for them.
Well, us whistleblowers ain’t going nowhere. We are going to keep exposing the crimes and insanity perpetrated by Scientologists.
As much as the COS likes to pretend they know everything, I don't believe they have the technical know-how to order a well (healthy) person to "drop their body". The survival instinct is much stronger than any LRH policy. Where I have seen this work is where the person was going to die anyway and SCN offered some final words to let them know this would be ok.
When my mom was getting up there in years and in the hospital, the hospital would ask her if she wanted DNR on her chart. DNR is do not resuscitate. This is the nonSNC version of letting someone drop their body. She was old but she always said no, she wanted to live. Please resuscitate. Finally, as she reached 90, she was tired. Her body was not working well. She accepted the DNR. Luckily we did not need it, she passed on her own without medical intervention.
Civilizations and cultures have had practices in place to help people with dying for centuries. I like to think the Church of Scn is no different. I have never seen them do anything nefarious in this regard. I am no fan but I just haven't observed this and I have been around end-of-life activities for staff and public SCNs.
I have had a DNR since I was in my 20s. I do not have a death wish. However, my mother had a massive cerebral embolism at age 49 and they attempted to resuscitate her. Because they did that, we had to sit at her bedside for 3 days while 17 machines kept her body alive until after her 3rd flat brain scan, when they could turn off the machines. I swore right then not to do that to my family. My Advanced Directive is very specific, as they are tailored to be, you check certain boxes when people do not resuscitate. It has given me the peace of mind I need, and is designed to not force my family to make those hard decisions. Yes I have a will too.
Yes, they are useful. When my mom did pass away, the EMTs came about an hour after she passed. They asked about the DNR. They were going to put her on the floor, split open her chest, and try to bring her back. She was cold as ice. DNRs are necessary and I just included the anecdote because when my mom would refuse, it showed me she still wanted to live.
Yes, anyone who knows me knows I enjoy life. I’m sure your mom did too. I’m glad she had a long life and that she had a DNR when the medics arrived far too late to make any difference.
I forgot how well you write, Sunny. Great article. I've been learning a great deal from Paul Wallis and some people associated with him about our true origins. It's interesting because our DNA was manipulated by some gods who didn't want us to be as wise as them, so they shortened our life spans. I know a tech team who intends to build a machine to regenerate our bodies and I can't wait. However, I feel curious how one is to remember who they 'were' upon reincarnation since our memories are wiped?
I knew Evelyn Bowers. She was a long time SO member and auditor at ASHO Day. She was very good at her job. It surprised me that she was busted to the RPF. And I was angered to hear they would even put an 89 year old on the RPF. That MAA was right about one thing: it was out PR to have an 89 year old running around on the RPF. But he only gave her two choices. He didn't give her an obvious third choice. That was to leave the SO to go live with relatives and get the rest she deserved. I have seen it with other old SO members. If they had a stroke or some medical thing, they would be offloaded to family members and leave the SO to ago live with them. This is what should have happened with her. I love Evelyn's spunk and character. She sure put that punk MAA in his place with, "what, you want me to come back when I'm 110 years old?" RIP Evelyn.
When death is trivial, so is life.
I always used to think of that Eagle's song "Desperado". "You'd better let somebody love you, before it's too late". I heard that album a lot at the Int Base, mainly because it was the only cassette Shawn Morrison had when we were working on designing the Music Studio, there in the Garage.
If you truly believe that this life is just a jot or tittle on the vast tapestry of existence, your parents and loved ones just a trivial detail, then maybe suicide to cure a hangnail makes sense. Just hitting the reset button. Rinse, repeat.
It's a lie, but once you believe a lie it becomes a trap. How many have to die to make dead Hubbard's fantasy real?
Sorry, 72-year-old white guy feeling a little mortal today.
Excellent illustration of what Scientology, Inc. values most: its own image.
And who was the audience for this PR exercise (making the RPF look good)? No-one but other victims of the mind-fuck perpetrated by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. Lying to outsiders, lying to each other, lying to themselves. And calling it “freedom.”
Evelyn Bowers was a perfect example of British 'bloody mindedness'. The MMA and his 'superiors' showed exactly how much they valued Evelyn's many years of service. Now, don't be a bother, just die and make those higher up on the totem pole think they look better. Can't have the old fogies in the PR pictures, we want 14 year old girls in halter tops and hot pants, that will bring in the right clientele.
I was at the local United Way one day when a woman named Helen came in. She was 89. She was on the board of directors. She had an animated discussion with the executive director, then stopped to chat with the volunteer force working on putting together whatever we were doing right then. All of a sudden she glanced at her watch and said “Oh, gotta run, I need to deliver meals to old people.” And she hurried out.
I know people 20 years younger than me who think they are old, and they act it too. Getting older does entail a certain loss of dignity in some areas as you have to learn to ask for help doing things you could once do alone. However, that doesn’t mean you are required to act old. Evelyn doesn’t sound like she acted old. She certainly didn’t deserve the treatment she was given in the Sea Org, but no one does.
If being old in Sea Org is a crime, the aging exec strata (which is no longer in existence), including Lesevre, Jentzsch and others like that, if they are still even alive, must all be in a position right now where they are being badgered to drop their bodies daily.
Thank you Sunny for this story. I was just thinking yesterday about how I hadn't recalled seeing you around here lately and I am glad we get to 'hear' your voice again.
Good story, Sunny. It perfectly illustrates what a sociopath Hubbard was. And his policies reflect that. He only cared about a person if they were “useful” to him. If not bye bye. And that mentality permeates staff and cherch members mentality more than ever.
So if you are not useful to Scientology go away and die someplace where you will not become an inconvenience for them.
Well, us whistleblowers ain’t going nowhere. We are going to keep exposing the crimes and insanity perpetrated by Scientologists.
Best. Scientology. Story. Ever.
Isn’t “survive” the fundamental purpose of a living being, according to Hubbard? “Drop the body” seems quite the antithesis of that.
"Survive" only if you can bring in the moo la!
So true!
As much as the COS likes to pretend they know everything, I don't believe they have the technical know-how to order a well (healthy) person to "drop their body". The survival instinct is much stronger than any LRH policy. Where I have seen this work is where the person was going to die anyway and SCN offered some final words to let them know this would be ok.
When my mom was getting up there in years and in the hospital, the hospital would ask her if she wanted DNR on her chart. DNR is do not resuscitate. This is the nonSNC version of letting someone drop their body. She was old but she always said no, she wanted to live. Please resuscitate. Finally, as she reached 90, she was tired. Her body was not working well. She accepted the DNR. Luckily we did not need it, she passed on her own without medical intervention.
Civilizations and cultures have had practices in place to help people with dying for centuries. I like to think the Church of Scn is no different. I have never seen them do anything nefarious in this regard. I am no fan but I just haven't observed this and I have been around end-of-life activities for staff and public SCNs.
I have had a DNR since I was in my 20s. I do not have a death wish. However, my mother had a massive cerebral embolism at age 49 and they attempted to resuscitate her. Because they did that, we had to sit at her bedside for 3 days while 17 machines kept her body alive until after her 3rd flat brain scan, when they could turn off the machines. I swore right then not to do that to my family. My Advanced Directive is very specific, as they are tailored to be, you check certain boxes when people do not resuscitate. It has given me the peace of mind I need, and is designed to not force my family to make those hard decisions. Yes I have a will too.
Yes, they are useful. When my mom did pass away, the EMTs came about an hour after she passed. They asked about the DNR. They were going to put her on the floor, split open her chest, and try to bring her back. She was cold as ice. DNRs are necessary and I just included the anecdote because when my mom would refuse, it showed me she still wanted to live.
Yes, anyone who knows me knows I enjoy life. I’m sure your mom did too. I’m glad she had a long life and that she had a DNR when the medics arrived far too late to make any difference.
I forgot how well you write, Sunny. Great article. I've been learning a great deal from Paul Wallis and some people associated with him about our true origins. It's interesting because our DNA was manipulated by some gods who didn't want us to be as wise as them, so they shortened our life spans. I know a tech team who intends to build a machine to regenerate our bodies and I can't wait. However, I feel curious how one is to remember who they 'were' upon reincarnation since our memories are wiped?