Episode 17: Bruce Hines on auditing Mary Sue Hubbard
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Episode 17: Bruce Hines on auditing Mary Sue Hubbard
Following Bruce's great piece about his experience with Mary Sue in 1993, we went over even more details about it, and even ended up mentioning Neil Gaiman. Great stuff.
Tony Ortega has been investigating and writing about the Church of Scientology since 1995, and daily since 2012 at The Underground Bunker. The Underground Bunker podcast allows him to discuss that news with important sources who know David Miscavige's cabal better than anyone.
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Episode 17: Bruce Hines on auditing Mary Sue Hubbard
Neil Gaiman was at least OT 3 and possibly on OT 4. Translation, (Tony's excited explanation of OT 4 is a good one).
OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the five exorcism steps of Scientology, getting rid of (supposedly, since really in fact this exorcism is instead snipe hunting, chasing imaginary "souls" which are messed up, and eliminating those souls from infesting one's human body and stopping the leakage of "case" (bad karma) those souls were leaking onto one---which is a huge reason for doing the exorcism in the first place, to eliminate the "case" leakage from those surplus souls --- "body-thetans").
It means Neil has done the kookiest exorcism part of Scientology, the surplus souls exorcism major steps OT 3 and possibly OT 4.
Tony is probably cutting edge media spokesperson for interpreting Scientology in language that could become the prevalent way Scientolgys major quackery pseudo-therapy and exorcism are spoken about, to somehow change the way Scientology is even referred to.
Right now, 2022, in history, Scientology's (rather Hubbard's, since he indoctrinates Scientologists so deeply how to even refer to the Scientology quackery and theory in words Hubbard laid in cement how to refer to the key parts of Scientology, it's so hard to change how the Scientology parts are even spoken about, due to Hubbard's insistence and indoctrination in how to talk about Scientology's theory and parts).
But the "auditing" word of Scientology ought be referred to as quack pseudo-therapy.
The "OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7" ought be referred to as exorcism.
The quack pseudo-therapy that is "warm up" levels up to Scientology's "Clear" level, is mostly pseudo-therapy aimed at a person's "this life time" troubles.
Then "Clear" hits heavily into past lives trauma.
OT 2 Tony's pretty good at explaining.
OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 need to be simpler neutrally described as exorcism of the surplus souls that Xenu dumped onto earth 75 million years ago.
Then OT 8 is some more past lives pseudo-therapy aimed at one's whole viewpoint one's "case" from the beginning of time to this instant, a huge overview pseudo-therapy step.
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For total nerds about Hubbard's own "case" and what is in Hubbard's final "case" folders, which I don't think Marty Rathbun, nor Miscavige, nor anyone's really reviewed properly, from a "Piloting" and research theory rules, and Hubbard wrote for the "LRH Tech and Research, Piloting and Compilations" branch of Senior C/S Int office, and Bruce knows a huge amount of the LRH "RTRC" branch history, the point is LRH wrote rules how to delve into what would be the "next" OT levels.
My guess is what would be next, is delving deeper, further back into past lives, and past times pre human bodies, way way way back, when "case" might have been being accumulated back when a soul was pre human, accumulating case.
LRH in the 1950s lectures ,mentions that he chose to limit "auditing" (the quack pseudo-therapy) to humanoid "case" difficulties.
What that implies is that the "case" that a soul might have accumulated WAY earlier in the pre humanoid body eras of time, way way way back, were what the "RTRC" Branch, which was and still is to this day, under the Senior C/S Int Office at the Int Base, what they would logically have been held responsible to "research" would be study LRH's final years, and all other years of LRH's "case" folders, and anyone else in Scientology's "case" folders, where LRH or other Scientologists delved into their pre humanoid time eras as souls, and see what "case they were picking up way way way back, and develop some kind of "this lifetime" processes, to get a Scientologist to delve that far back, and try to see what "case" is there, and how to eliminate it.
And of course turn this all into a paying service, and paid for OT level.
That is frankly something I have never heard Marty (and people fail to understand Marty was NO "tech" person, Marty was a nobody on "tech" lines, he only had power, I hate how anyone's called Marty some "great" auditor, he only had status, but wasn't some Scientology "tech" theoretical" genius guy, Marty is just a whole lower level "auditor' compared to someone like Karen de la Carriere or even to Trey Lotz).
This is weeds, no one will appreciate what I just wrote, but the "LRH case folders" contain the clues to what "case" LRH would himself have eventually tried to research into.
LRH was till stuck with body-thetans difficulty at the end of his life though ,and never got around to the lower ago "case" in the pre humanoid body "case" eras of the soul's way way way longer ago era of time existence in all time and space.
If one continues and uses "case" as the central theme how to interpret all things that any Scientologist is doing in Scientology, the "case" elimination, or in regular terms, probably "karma" elimination, so that a soul isn't reactive to their past karma and past "case."
That's all Scientology is.
It's a "case" elimination practice, a paid for pseudo-therapy/past-lives-pseudo-therapy/exorcism-of-surplus-souls-which-leak-their-bad-karma-"case" onto one.
Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org 75 to 03
I've given years of thought to this and can talk theory of Scientology, and hope someday it gets simplified so the public get a simpler view of it all.
In Dec 75 in the final 2 weeks of the year, I was a brand new Sea Org member at Flag in Clearwater.
I was in a chain of Sea Org members moving the "case" folders (paperwork folders of sessions of the Scientology pseudo-therapy quackery), and I happened to be in a chain moving some of Mary Sue's "case folders."
Later I trained in "Folder Error Summary" paperwork procedures of Hubbard's to review people's past quackery pseudo-therapy, by reviewing the paperwork kept by the pseudo-therapist ("auditor" is what Scientology calls the quack pseudo-therapists that do the Scientology pseudo-therapy).
So, my thought in hindsight today, is what Bruce thought about Mary Sue's full "case folders" content, and did he know who had done Mary Sue's past "Folder Error Summaries" which are the paperwork that a sit down separate Scientologist does, reviewing ALL of a person's "case folders" and then lists out the things that are "errors" and "summarizes" the errors, in the "FES" (Folder Error Summary) report.
Did Neville Potter do Mary Sue's "FES" or did CMO Int "Senior C/S Int" people, like did Bruce or did Sue Walker who was in the Senior C/S Int sub unit, they Bruce and Sue, and Neville, (or even did Leslie Potter, who also lived with Neville in Mary Sue's house at Lost Felix), who did Mary Sue's "FES" and can Bruce mention any details of that. Or, I forgot to ask, were there any RTC level tech people, like Hara Klein, or Hansueli, or Heidi Stahli, who had input into the FES of Mary Sue's "case" folders, and they did the tailor made False Purpose Rundown questions? Was Hansueli the main guy doing Mary Sue's FES and FPRD stuff tailor made questions?
Questions I have, would be did she get thru OT 5, and OT 7, and did she obviously believe in past lives, and how'd she run as far as body-thetans removal. Was Neville doing her OT 5, and was Neville C/Sing for her OT 7, or did she even get to OT 7, and OT 8? Did Leslie or Neville do Bruce's after session "exams" on Mary Sue? Leslie was an old time Class 8.
Nicki Merwin was Mary Sue's Communicator in the final years, a close in the know person for daily life of Mary Sue! Skip Press has loads of history about Nicki Merwin before she became Mary Sue's Communicator. Mary Sue had Nicki, and LRH had Ken Urquhart. But likely Nicki was even closer to Mary Sue than Ken was to LRH. (I so wish Ken was more interested in LRH's life, and closer to LRH than I found Ken to be. Ken's written extensively of his time leading up to being with LRH.)
Thanks.
Chuck Beatty
ex Team Xenu 75 to 03