A close family friend to Jane Kember informed us yesterday that the former Scientology spymaster died on Wednesday. She was 85. Kember was a major figure in Scientology history, given a lifetime appointment as “Guardian” by founder L. Ron Hubbard and charged with overseeing the Guardian’s Office, a worldwide intelligence operation that infiltrated government offices in several nations, resulting in a 1977 FBI raid in Los Angeles and Washington DC that led to 11 top Scientologists going to prison.
My husband, Don Hill, and I were called to the guardians office by Jane twice in the 70s. We were franchise holders, Aka, mission holders, and they were amazed that we weren’t intimidated at all.
That was probably why they hated the mission holders. Aside from having money.
Mary Sue Hubbard “herself spent her final years in a kind of house arrest” is standard practice for PTS or “out of line” spouses. Is that where COB learned this behavior, to keep his wife kept.
Where is Shelly Miscavige? She’s still being held, provided she is alive?
Mike Rinder’s description of Jane as imperious could well have described him or the majority of other people in high level positions in scientology. It was part and parcel of the job description. Mike acted the part while in and I’m sure had he died while in, imperious may not have been the nicest thing said about him.
One of the plethora of things wrong with scientology is that it strips you of your base personality traits and forces you to act the part of a high and mighty superior being.
I had the same thoughts as I read the piece, and I can also imagine Mr. Rinder being the first to admit that very thing.🤣🤣
One of the things I genuinely respect about Mike Rinder is his ability to own how horrible he was when he was in the SCN bubble. To my mind it lends him a tremendous amount of credibility.
Now, I could be totally off base. Maybe Mike’s a gigantic arrogant douchey liarface (still), but if that’s true he’s a better actor than Tom Cruise ever thought of being and he should be selling yachts or islands to gazillionaires... the gift would be wasted. 🤷♀️🤣
Again, this is all just my two cents. I’m nobody especially brilliant or insightful. 🤣🤣
I believe Mike has regained his sense of humor and his ability to admit his past faults. My comment was in no way intended to diss Mike or the good work he has done since he escaped. It was simply to state that all of us were total jerks in scientology. Some of us were lucky enough to escape.
When we were in, we hurt and offended people without even being aware we were doing it just by “doing our job”. Mike had done lots to make up for whatever he did while in.
Oh damn... in NO way did I mean to imply that you were doing any such thing. I apologize profusely if that’s how it reads!! 💔💔 I totally understood what you meant, and was just expanding on the thought, not debating it! 😬😬😬 So sorry!!
***Mike had done lots to make up for whatever he did while in.***
No doubt in my mind. That 🤬🤬🤬 ‘organization’ completely destroys -GOING IN!!- a person’s ability for critical thought (not to mention simple logic, in many cases.
And that’s just a scraping from the tip of the iceberg. And then there are the families.
I’m already talking too much. I better hush!! 🤣🤣🤣
(I hope you have a lovely and peaceful holiday, whichever you celebrate! 💞)
Can you imagine how it would be run. You’re sick, it’s your fault, etc. would there be a senior “hole”?
Look up narcanon it’s bizarre, I can’t believe that the COS is allowed to operate these kind of facilities. I’d like to know how many deaths have occurred as a result of being treated there. No anti-psychotics or meds, just vitamins that they don’t know how to subscribe. How do they medically detox properly. I’m fired up today
Scientology doesn’t actually give a rat’s butt if your kid dies in their care.
They just call the local law and they cover SCN’s tracks.
US, Germany, doesn’t seem to matter.
It’s nothing short of incredible what one can get away with in the US under cover of Religion.
Just look at the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Holy C, southern Baptist convention, fundamentalist LDS folks. 🤷♀️ Child abuse, and child sexual abuse *rampant* in every one.
Another life wasted in thrall to Lron's scam. How sad. How many other lives have been wasted and how many families torn apart? As Mike Rinder said, it is a shame that she never talked about her $cieno life. She could have given us a lot of info on all of the crimes she and her cohorts committed.
It is weird that the article acknowledges Peter Kember. I knew Chas Kember and his wife, Mandy. They worked at the HGB (middle management in LA). I thought Chas was her son. If Jane was acknowledging a son who was on the ex scn msg board, was she still a member? That is usually forbidden.
My husband, Don Hill, and I were called to the guardians office by Jane twice in the 70s. We were franchise holders, Aka, mission holders, and they were amazed that we weren’t intimidated at all.
That was probably why they hated the mission holders. Aside from having money.
I’ve always just assumed that their issue in that area in particular was *independence.*
I can’t think of a single cult (or religion, frankly - arguably to a much lesser degree) in which the leadership’s main priority is control.
“Having franchises” significantly limits the ability to micromanage.
Especially before we had instantaneous media, data, and communication on demand in our pockets!!
Mary Sue Hubbard “herself spent her final years in a kind of house arrest” is standard practice for PTS or “out of line” spouses. Is that where COB learned this behavior, to keep his wife kept.
Where is Shelly Miscavige? She’s still being held, provided she is alive?
Maybe they have a big retirement home for displaced spouses. Heavily guarded. No internet, no phones. No visitors. ☹️😩
Mike Rinder’s description of Jane as imperious could well have described him or the majority of other people in high level positions in scientology. It was part and parcel of the job description. Mike acted the part while in and I’m sure had he died while in, imperious may not have been the nicest thing said about him.
One of the plethora of things wrong with scientology is that it strips you of your base personality traits and forces you to act the part of a high and mighty superior being.
Two more souls lost to the megalomaniac.
I had the same thoughts as I read the piece, and I can also imagine Mr. Rinder being the first to admit that very thing.🤣🤣
One of the things I genuinely respect about Mike Rinder is his ability to own how horrible he was when he was in the SCN bubble. To my mind it lends him a tremendous amount of credibility.
Now, I could be totally off base. Maybe Mike’s a gigantic arrogant douchey liarface (still), but if that’s true he’s a better actor than Tom Cruise ever thought of being and he should be selling yachts or islands to gazillionaires... the gift would be wasted. 🤷♀️🤣
Again, this is all just my two cents. I’m nobody especially brilliant or insightful. 🤣🤣
I believe Mike has regained his sense of humor and his ability to admit his past faults. My comment was in no way intended to diss Mike or the good work he has done since he escaped. It was simply to state that all of us were total jerks in scientology. Some of us were lucky enough to escape.
When we were in, we hurt and offended people without even being aware we were doing it just by “doing our job”. Mike had done lots to make up for whatever he did while in.
Oh damn... in NO way did I mean to imply that you were doing any such thing. I apologize profusely if that’s how it reads!! 💔💔 I totally understood what you meant, and was just expanding on the thought, not debating it! 😬😬😬 So sorry!!
***Mike had done lots to make up for whatever he did while in.***
No doubt in my mind. That 🤬🤬🤬 ‘organization’ completely destroys -GOING IN!!- a person’s ability for critical thought (not to mention simple logic, in many cases.
And that’s just a scraping from the tip of the iceberg. And then there are the families.
I’m already talking too much. I better hush!! 🤣🤣🤣
(I hope you have a lovely and peaceful holiday, whichever you celebrate! 💞)
Can you imagine how it would be run. You’re sick, it’s your fault, etc. would there be a senior “hole”?
Look up narcanon it’s bizarre, I can’t believe that the COS is allowed to operate these kind of facilities. I’d like to know how many deaths have occurred as a result of being treated there. No anti-psychotics or meds, just vitamins that they don’t know how to subscribe. How do they medically detox properly. I’m fired up today
They don’t.
Scientology doesn’t actually give a rat’s butt if your kid dies in their care.
They just call the local law and they cover SCN’s tracks.
US, Germany, doesn’t seem to matter.
It’s nothing short of incredible what one can get away with in the US under cover of Religion.
Just look at the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Holy C, southern Baptist convention, fundamentalist LDS folks. 🤷♀️ Child abuse, and child sexual abuse *rampant* in every one.
It’s nauseating.
And my family can’t understand why I’m atheist. 🙄
Another life wasted in thrall to Lron's scam. How sad. How many other lives have been wasted and how many families torn apart? As Mike Rinder said, it is a shame that she never talked about her $cieno life. She could have given us a lot of info on all of the crimes she and her cohorts committed.
It is weird that the article acknowledges Peter Kember. I knew Chas Kember and his wife, Mandy. They worked at the HGB (middle management in LA). I thought Chas was her son. If Jane was acknowledging a son who was on the ex scn msg board, was she still a member? That is usually forbidden.