So a guy spends a lot of time with John Travolta and Travolta threatens to sue if anyone publishes a story about that. It’s like a 3 year old spilling something on the kitchen floor and telling mom to stay out of the kitchen. Your story would have been pablum had Travolta not threatened to sue you for publishing it. The biggest thing wrong with this story is that even if these two are “a thing” the majority of the world would not care. Only Scientologists would raise an eyebrow. There’s something wrong with that.
Are they, aren't they, as TonyO says, not that there's anything wrong about that. Speculate as we and the tabloids will, both seem happy and what is wrong with that. Why would anyone threaten to sue over this story? Streisand Effect indeed.
Travolta seems happy with his life. After all he is Scientology royalty. And conveniently Hubbards dogma tells John that his wife and son will be ok.
They will reincarnate so John don’t you fret. There is a certain peace of mind in being brainwashed. Unfortunately it has done nothing good for his acting career. Such a waste. However, John is now free to be whatever he wants including a persona that is vilified if you are a normal Scientologist. And for the uber celebrities in the cult, anything goes. All sweetness and light.
He’s got his daughter to keep him on the straight and narrow. What a shame. Should she defect, so will he, but that doesn’t seem likely. Sometimes darkness is the most comforting.
I’ve met John numerous times. He’s had a lot of losses and is a sweet person. Always been a dichotomy why he’s still in. I do not feel his Scientology auditing has effectively helped him deal with his traumas.
I guess you could call brainwashing, “darkness”. Everything has the black filter Hubbard created for his minions.
I knew John for a bit when he was just starting Kotter. He had a loss under his belt already by then, but always seemed so genuine. I don’t think Scientology auditing is configured to help anyone deal with trauma, only to push it deep down and pretend it doesn’t exist. He has not been allowed to feel the grief that is necessary to move forward. That was really an eye opener for me when I got out.
I think he's there for LRH. Proof, is he's the ONLY Scientology celeb who tried to push along the final LRH orders to Author Services Inc, the orders to turn Battlefield Earth into a movie. (Despite all the clamor that erupts when you bring up Battlefield Earth, the simplicity of my point is the ASI LRH traffic focuses on the BE movie, and during Miscavige's years as COB ASI, nothing happened. LRH died and the ASI key strategy was undone.)
In 1993, Int Base units, including ASI, were all ordered to review all their key UNDONE LRH strats for their areas. For ASI, to me, the biggest failed strategy for ASI was getting the LRH written products, the LRH books, turned into movies, and LRH wrote very clearly to do BE first.
John Travolta, per Suzy Watson Taylor, was why the Battlefield Earth movie got produced. (I believe she's deceased now, but Suzy took up the problem how to get the BE movie done, this was her job in ASI, and she'd been working off and on for years, trying ways to get the BE movie going. John was the one who got it done, period, with some input from Suzy, I believe as kind of cheerleader mostly to all he was trying to do. She's gone, can't ask her how it all went on. when she chatted with lowly me, she said MONEY to fund it was biggest problem, always, and when it came done to the crunch, the key Hollywood money mover person said John had to be in the movie, or no go. )
ASI's other strategies are the lesser, I guess from some views but possibly it's not really lesser, like the Writers of the Future/Illustrators of the Future contests keeping on the road and those do keep going, like clockwork it seems.
So, I was ASI the computer room person, from 1992 to 1995, and one year I proofread ALL the ASI LRH traffic, and prior to John's pushing the BE movie to completion.
I don't know how any of Hubbard's writings could ever be a successful movie, I have no idea, I wish Mitch Brisker could be given all the ASI LRH traffic on making movies and especially on the BE strategy, and see if Mitch even thinks it possible, I don't think it's worthy of doing LRH's books into movies.
LRH's "products" (his scripts, like the "Revolt In The Stars" [aka RTS] is a modified Xenu story, minus body-thetans involvement, that LRH once wished done, but in the later ASI advices it is clear that RTS would come at the end of doing first other of LRH's books).
The ASI advices talk about getting LRH's "fiction products" (his books, his pulps, and the scripts like the RTS script, and then the BE book script, turned into movies).
ASI's strategies are collapsed, and I would love to hear someone like Mitch's views on them.
John Travolta, though, in Scientology history, is the ONLY celeb to push one of LRH's books into a film.
John beats thus, even Tom Cruise, for carrying out LRH's direct orders, this is a fact.
I'll always put John above Tom, for that reason, even if the Battlefield Earth movie was a bomb, all the reasons it was a bomb, I think mostly trace to Hubbard's fault, since Hubbard's "LRH products" are just pretty lame, they are not blockbuster.
John's allegiance I think is to LRH, and also to deceased Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch.
Allegiance to Miscavige, comes third or worse, in John's mind, I believe.
"....There is a certain peace of mind in being brainwashed....."
So true, when I transitioned away from hardcore belief in past lives, back to atheism, I would think, "Well, if past lives and future lives turn out to be true, then no harm believing they are BS for now, because if the past future lives thing is real, then long range all will come out in the end, I figured. Time will tell.
I much prefer the continuous learning and discovery of wonderful teachers and spiritual explorers. I’m challenged every day with something new. Hubbard hated the idea that someone would be “0pen minded”. It was his way or the highway. Dogma or death.
LOL, so absolutely true. One of my biggest "wins" on my seven year RPF stint was realizing I was "suppressively open minded" but I secretly believed this was correct, one should be widely open minded, I felt so happy. When I did the PTS Rundown on the RPF, my favorite group that I "joined" were the suppressively reasonable intellectual class (even though I'm delusionally inadequate and sub par for ever belonging to them, LOL).
So a guy spends a lot of time with John Travolta and Travolta threatens to sue if anyone publishes a story about that. It’s like a 3 year old spilling something on the kitchen floor and telling mom to stay out of the kitchen. Your story would have been pablum had Travolta not threatened to sue you for publishing it. The biggest thing wrong with this story is that even if these two are “a thing” the majority of the world would not care. Only Scientologists would raise an eyebrow. There’s something wrong with that.
Absolutely! Scientologists get into the Hubbard topsy turvy reversed view of themselves. It's like a megalomania by contagion to Hubbard.
The wordage is so important to shed to eject out of the osmosisly acquired Hubbard megalomania mindset.
Are they, aren't they, as TonyO says, not that there's anything wrong about that. Speculate as we and the tabloids will, both seem happy and what is wrong with that. Why would anyone threaten to sue over this story? Streisand Effect indeed.
That's my questtion. It's a great article, so why threaten to sue?
Travolta seems happy with his life. After all he is Scientology royalty. And conveniently Hubbards dogma tells John that his wife and son will be ok.
They will reincarnate so John don’t you fret. There is a certain peace of mind in being brainwashed. Unfortunately it has done nothing good for his acting career. Such a waste. However, John is now free to be whatever he wants including a persona that is vilified if you are a normal Scientologist. And for the uber celebrities in the cult, anything goes. All sweetness and light.
He’s got his daughter to keep him on the straight and narrow. What a shame. Should she defect, so will he, but that doesn’t seem likely. Sometimes darkness is the most comforting.
I’ve met John numerous times. He’s had a lot of losses and is a sweet person. Always been a dichotomy why he’s still in. I do not feel his Scientology auditing has effectively helped him deal with his traumas.
I guess you could call brainwashing, “darkness”. Everything has the black filter Hubbard created for his minions.
I knew John for a bit when he was just starting Kotter. He had a loss under his belt already by then, but always seemed so genuine. I don’t think Scientology auditing is configured to help anyone deal with trauma, only to push it deep down and pretend it doesn’t exist. He has not been allowed to feel the grief that is necessary to move forward. That was really an eye opener for me when I got out.
Absolutely, you put it very succinctly. 👍🏼
I think he's there for LRH. Proof, is he's the ONLY Scientology celeb who tried to push along the final LRH orders to Author Services Inc, the orders to turn Battlefield Earth into a movie. (Despite all the clamor that erupts when you bring up Battlefield Earth, the simplicity of my point is the ASI LRH traffic focuses on the BE movie, and during Miscavige's years as COB ASI, nothing happened. LRH died and the ASI key strategy was undone.)
In 1993, Int Base units, including ASI, were all ordered to review all their key UNDONE LRH strats for their areas. For ASI, to me, the biggest failed strategy for ASI was getting the LRH written products, the LRH books, turned into movies, and LRH wrote very clearly to do BE first.
John Travolta, per Suzy Watson Taylor, was why the Battlefield Earth movie got produced. (I believe she's deceased now, but Suzy took up the problem how to get the BE movie done, this was her job in ASI, and she'd been working off and on for years, trying ways to get the BE movie going. John was the one who got it done, period, with some input from Suzy, I believe as kind of cheerleader mostly to all he was trying to do. She's gone, can't ask her how it all went on. when she chatted with lowly me, she said MONEY to fund it was biggest problem, always, and when it came done to the crunch, the key Hollywood money mover person said John had to be in the movie, or no go. )
ASI's other strategies are the lesser, I guess from some views but possibly it's not really lesser, like the Writers of the Future/Illustrators of the Future contests keeping on the road and those do keep going, like clockwork it seems.
So, I was ASI the computer room person, from 1992 to 1995, and one year I proofread ALL the ASI LRH traffic, and prior to John's pushing the BE movie to completion.
I don't know how any of Hubbard's writings could ever be a successful movie, I have no idea, I wish Mitch Brisker could be given all the ASI LRH traffic on making movies and especially on the BE strategy, and see if Mitch even thinks it possible, I don't think it's worthy of doing LRH's books into movies.
LRH's "products" (his scripts, like the "Revolt In The Stars" [aka RTS] is a modified Xenu story, minus body-thetans involvement, that LRH once wished done, but in the later ASI advices it is clear that RTS would come at the end of doing first other of LRH's books).
The ASI advices talk about getting LRH's "fiction products" (his books, his pulps, and the scripts like the RTS script, and then the BE book script, turned into movies).
ASI's strategies are collapsed, and I would love to hear someone like Mitch's views on them.
John Travolta, though, in Scientology history, is the ONLY celeb to push one of LRH's books into a film.
John beats thus, even Tom Cruise, for carrying out LRH's direct orders, this is a fact.
I'll always put John above Tom, for that reason, even if the Battlefield Earth movie was a bomb, all the reasons it was a bomb, I think mostly trace to Hubbard's fault, since Hubbard's "LRH products" are just pretty lame, they are not blockbuster.
John's allegiance I think is to LRH, and also to deceased Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch.
Allegiance to Miscavige, comes third or worse, in John's mind, I believe.
I agree. Travolta was there when Yvonne was still around. I did not know that about Mission Earth.
"....There is a certain peace of mind in being brainwashed....."
So true, when I transitioned away from hardcore belief in past lives, back to atheism, I would think, "Well, if past lives and future lives turn out to be true, then no harm believing they are BS for now, because if the past future lives thing is real, then long range all will come out in the end, I figured. Time will tell.
I much prefer the continuous learning and discovery of wonderful teachers and spiritual explorers. I’m challenged every day with something new. Hubbard hated the idea that someone would be “0pen minded”. It was his way or the highway. Dogma or death.
LOL, so absolutely true. One of my biggest "wins" on my seven year RPF stint was realizing I was "suppressively open minded" but I secretly believed this was correct, one should be widely open minded, I felt so happy. When I did the PTS Rundown on the RPF, my favorite group that I "joined" were the suppressively reasonable intellectual class (even though I'm delusionally inadequate and sub par for ever belonging to them, LOL).
Good article, and good for John. Except bad that he's still super brainwashed.
indeed yeah
Outing someone, regardless of the circumstances, is trashy. (And during Pride Month, yikes!) Please, do better, Tony
still smoking cigarettes like a good Scientologist