At Los Angeles Superior Court today, Judge Upinder Kalra granted the request by Danny Masterson’s victims to lift a stay on their lawsuit against Masterson and the Church of Scientology so they can proceed with discovery. He did so over the objections of Masterson and Scientology, but he had a warning for the plaintiffs: Be careful what you wish for.
The Jane Doe case is not just about money from civil damages. This is about bringing to Justice these inhuman individuals who believe Scientology is the ONLY ROAD to immortality and saving our planet. The time and turmoil the Jane Does went through and will go through in the next two plus years is understandable when one sees that these are brave principled individuals. Then it makes sense. The have a moral compass. I’m glad the judge supported moving forward.
Do the plaintiffs have restraining orders in the meantime? Not sure how that would read “Any and all MF’s from the COS will be arrested if they mess with the plaintiffs in any way. That includes but is not limited to family, friends, employers, pets, or maintaining or creating hate sites.”
That may seem like a long time but if you’re used to scheduling orders, there’s a lot that goes on before the trial. This is simplifying it, but they have depositions to take, other discovery requests and deadlines, all sorts of motions with cutoff dates for those, witness and exhibit lists, pretrial memos, pre trial, etc. I will be shocked if it goes to trial in a 2 year period. We have a fairly cut and dried case that got a scheduling order in January 2023 with the trial set for April 2024.
Civil cases take forever. Laura DeCrescenzo was in court, 9 years before settling on the eve of trial.
Tried and true El Bong Flubbard quotes from xenu.net that validate your point about the church of scientology playing the vexatious litigant card:
"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace."
L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs
"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly."
L. Ron Hubbard, A MANUAL ON THE DISSEMINATION OF MATERIAL, 1955
"When we need somebody haunted we investigate…When we investigate we do so noisily always."
L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959
"People attack Scientology, I never forget it, always even the score. People attack auditors, or staff, or organisations, or me. I never forget until the slate is clear."
Funny thing, Cedric actually quoted that when they filed the suit. He talked about that policy said “they made us sue for peace.” I don’t think that’s what Ron had in mind ooops. I also don’t think they will back down. They’ve been harassed enough, they’re probably mostly immune to legal wrangling by now. Plus um Leah…
That's what I asked/exclaimed. Makes sense if DM's appeals will be used up by then, but my concern is the same as KnowingHow2No. Perhaps the Janes can petition the court to put a stop to the harassment.
"He was pointing out that although the sentencing of Masterson has occurred, he still has 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination as long as he’s appealing his convictions, and that’s a process that could take a couple of years. By that time the clock may have run out for discovery in this lawsuit, and the plaintiffs will be out of luck as far as getting Masterson to give up evidence they might need."
Why is it so complicated they need to wait 2 years? Either the clam cult harassed and terrorized them or it didn't. All the judge needs to do is look at the evidence.
Keep fighting ladies! Everyone is proud of all of you and your fight! You are heard and supported!
The Jane Doe case is not just about money from civil damages. This is about bringing to Justice these inhuman individuals who believe Scientology is the ONLY ROAD to immortality and saving our planet. The time and turmoil the Jane Does went through and will go through in the next two plus years is understandable when one sees that these are brave principled individuals. Then it makes sense. The have a moral compass. I’m glad the judge supported moving forward.
Do the plaintiffs have restraining orders in the meantime? Not sure how that would read “Any and all MF’s from the COS will be arrested if they mess with the plaintiffs in any way. That includes but is not limited to family, friends, employers, pets, or maintaining or creating hate sites.”
September 2025??!!
That may seem like a long time but if you’re used to scheduling orders, there’s a lot that goes on before the trial. This is simplifying it, but they have depositions to take, other discovery requests and deadlines, all sorts of motions with cutoff dates for those, witness and exhibit lists, pretrial memos, pre trial, etc. I will be shocked if it goes to trial in a 2 year period. We have a fairly cut and dried case that got a scheduling order in January 2023 with the trial set for April 2024.
Civil cases take forever. Laura DeCrescenzo was in court, 9 years before settling on the eve of trial.
https://tonyortega.org/2018/07/23/scientology-caves-miscavige-settles-forced-abortion-case-to-avoid-trial/
Scientology will drag it out as long as they possibly can.
Tried and true El Bong Flubbard quotes from xenu.net that validate your point about the church of scientology playing the vexatious litigant card:
"If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace."
L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs
"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly."
L. Ron Hubbard, A MANUAL ON THE DISSEMINATION OF MATERIAL, 1955
"When we need somebody haunted we investigate…When we investigate we do so noisily always."
L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959
"People attack Scientology, I never forget it, always even the score. People attack auditors, or staff, or organisations, or me. I never forget until the slate is clear."
- L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959
Funny thing, Cedric actually quoted that when they filed the suit. He talked about that policy said “they made us sue for peace.” I don’t think that’s what Ron had in mind ooops. I also don’t think they will back down. They’ve been harassed enough, they’re probably mostly immune to legal wrangling by now. Plus um Leah…
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So more than a year until a civil trial. Hurry up and wait.
That's what I asked/exclaimed. Makes sense if DM's appeals will be used up by then, but my concern is the same as KnowingHow2No. Perhaps the Janes can petition the court to put a stop to the harassment.
From the article:
"He was pointing out that although the sentencing of Masterson has occurred, he still has 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination as long as he’s appealing his convictions, and that’s a process that could take a couple of years. By that time the clock may have run out for discovery in this lawsuit, and the plaintiffs will be out of luck as far as getting Masterson to give up evidence they might need."
Why is it so complicated they need to wait 2 years? Either the clam cult harassed and terrorized them or it didn't. All the judge needs to do is look at the evidence.
I am confused. I wish I understood more about the discovery procedure.