I remember distinctly being asked by both my AOLA registrar and an IAS fundraiser how much my annual household income was. I was then told by the AO registrar that she could establish a new credit line for me. She had a list of phone numbers that she offered to call on my behalf.
Fortunately, I declined because I felt it was “out ethics” to go into debt.
This scam falls under the mindset, “ the ends justify the means”. In the mind of staff and registrars, nothing is more important than expanding Scientology. So what’s a little debt in the scheme of eternity. $100k, no problem until you’ve lost your house, your car, your company and your sanity.
One of the sources of suicide in the organization.
Terrifying. When I worked there, Amex was used because there was often no limit. This placed the borrower in huge straights because the money needed to be paid in 30 days. Amex caught on quickly and we couldn't change services on people's Amex cards.
20k in a SCN organization is nothing. It can be spent in a few weeks when buying auditing. The regges must have been going nuts trying to do all these deals and work with actual prospects.
I had a situation where the regges would not leave me alone. I told them I had no credit card with an unused balance. They sat there and called all my companies. The reg said, "Wow, you don't have unused balances." This was kind of drastic but the regges have so much pressure on them, they have no boundaries and will harass you no end.
The same thing happened to me. I always payed off my cards, therefore I maintained great credit. I was told by my regges I could up credit limit across the boards. Even Discover card was in play (early 90’s)
What 'new meat' would allow anyone to put them in such levels of debt? Being young and not wise to the way credit works is not an excuse. All of that 2pm Thursday crap should have been a huge pirate flag (not a red one) to everyone.
It takes a fair bit of skill to sell $cientology to the new meat, but playing around with what is outright fraud should have received the attention of law enforcement. So why no cops? Why didn't Chase Bank get the FBI involved? It would take a federal agency to get all the ducks in a row and the FBI is supposed to be good at financial crimes. So why didn't Chase ring the alarm bell and shout for help?
I keep getting unsolicited offers in the mail for credit from 2 or 3 banks. Most feature a 28% interest rate. No wonder that rate is so high, it has to pay for all of the fraud they don't fight.
Yup! This is just one of the scams the "wasband" - ex-husband did as a reg..I bet he is still "regging " the gullible fools; even while he is in pain from Colon cancer....
Scientology's "updated crim regging" is what this was.
Decades ago, "postulate checks"
Even in the 1980s, in "management" (cult bureaucratic ranks lower dumb staffers, like me) we knew that slang for this type of reg (registrar, aka salesperson selling cult quackery "services") was:
CRIM REGGING
Crim regging will recur, since Hubbard's loopholes for it, have never been plugged, and can't be plugged, because "Hard Sell" drives the regs/salespeople to continue "crim regging."
Crim regging will die off for a few years, but it will return, just give the idiots some time to find Hubbard's "lost tech" the "Hard Sell" tech and put it back into vogue.
Thank L. Ron Hubbard's box of rules, keeping the cult bureaucrats and the "top managers" to keeping allowing Hubbard's massive writings as a never ending pile of crap to dig thru and reuse.
Wasn't there a little detail about some banks having known sympathetic staff who could smooth an approval?
Why the proper authorities are not all over this, we do not know. Banks covering up for PR reasons (they will get the money back when yanking interest rates, again again) is one of those things that necessitates proper criminal investigations.
I remember distinctly being asked by both my AOLA registrar and an IAS fundraiser how much my annual household income was. I was then told by the AO registrar that she could establish a new credit line for me. She had a list of phone numbers that she offered to call on my behalf.
Fortunately, I declined because I felt it was “out ethics” to go into debt.
This scam falls under the mindset, “ the ends justify the means”. In the mind of staff and registrars, nothing is more important than expanding Scientology. So what’s a little debt in the scheme of eternity. $100k, no problem until you’ve lost your house, your car, your company and your sanity.
One of the sources of suicide in the organization.
Terrifying. When I worked there, Amex was used because there was often no limit. This placed the borrower in huge straights because the money needed to be paid in 30 days. Amex caught on quickly and we couldn't change services on people's Amex cards.
20k in a SCN organization is nothing. It can be spent in a few weeks when buying auditing. The regges must have been going nuts trying to do all these deals and work with actual prospects.
I had a situation where the regges would not leave me alone. I told them I had no credit card with an unused balance. They sat there and called all my companies. The reg said, "Wow, you don't have unused balances." This was kind of drastic but the regges have so much pressure on them, they have no boundaries and will harass you no end.
The same thing happened to me. I always payed off my cards, therefore I maintained great credit. I was told by my regges I could up credit limit across the boards. Even Discover card was in play (early 90’s)
What 'new meat' would allow anyone to put them in such levels of debt? Being young and not wise to the way credit works is not an excuse. All of that 2pm Thursday crap should have been a huge pirate flag (not a red one) to everyone.
It takes a fair bit of skill to sell $cientology to the new meat, but playing around with what is outright fraud should have received the attention of law enforcement. So why no cops? Why didn't Chase Bank get the FBI involved? It would take a federal agency to get all the ducks in a row and the FBI is supposed to be good at financial crimes. So why didn't Chase ring the alarm bell and shout for help?
I keep getting unsolicited offers in the mail for credit from 2 or 3 banks. Most feature a 28% interest rate. No wonder that rate is so high, it has to pay for all of the fraud they don't fight.
The banks can charge off unpaid loans and also sell credit card protection services. Itsa profit center for them?
These new details make the process much easier to understand. Thanks contributors!
Yup! This is just one of the scams the "wasband" - ex-husband did as a reg..I bet he is still "regging " the gullible fools; even while he is in pain from Colon cancer....
Scientology's "updated crim regging" is what this was.
Decades ago, "postulate checks"
Even in the 1980s, in "management" (cult bureaucratic ranks lower dumb staffers, like me) we knew that slang for this type of reg (registrar, aka salesperson selling cult quackery "services") was:
CRIM REGGING
Crim regging will recur, since Hubbard's loopholes for it, have never been plugged, and can't be plugged, because "Hard Sell" drives the regs/salespeople to continue "crim regging."
Crim regging will die off for a few years, but it will return, just give the idiots some time to find Hubbard's "lost tech" the "Hard Sell" tech and put it back into vogue.
Thank L. Ron Hubbard's box of rules, keeping the cult bureaucrats and the "top managers" to keeping allowing Hubbard's massive writings as a never ending pile of crap to dig thru and reuse.
Wasn't there a little detail about some banks having known sympathetic staff who could smooth an approval?
Why the proper authorities are not all over this, we do not know. Banks covering up for PR reasons (they will get the money back when yanking interest rates, again again) is one of those things that necessitates proper criminal investigations.