November 1966. February 1995. December 2021. Those are the three epochal turning points in a remarkable life that is the subject of this week’s podcast. Last week, we were in Los Angeles to cover a couple of hearings in Leah Remini’s lawsuit. After the first one, we got a message from a surprising source. It was someone, a legend really, whom we had admired and written about for many years.
Do you remember your cigarette holder(s) you used to use when you were the Flag Service Org Cramming Officer.
I just remembered, I forgot for years, but you used to have your cigarette holder, making your cigarette stick out!
Yes, we or I for sure, looked up to you, and I met Warren McShane before and after, and also I met Paul Wilmshurst the INCOMM guy who snagged your computers.
And, you know Dennis, I told you many times, you were a tremendous role model when I was on the RPF and read in the Freedom Mag about your being raid.
You were an anchor, a tipping point person, for my decision, an inspiration since I'd been cammed by you on the Dianetics Internship at Flag, and you remember Al Baker the black course sup for the course room just below your Cramming Officer space on the 11th floor, and I was the sidekick course sup to Al Baker.
I went to bed many times on the RPF, going over how I'd call you, as the first person, once I escaped the RPF.
but to the point, do you have any memories of your cigarette holders? (And with your cigarette holder, do you remember your White Uniform Jungle Bwanna shirt and shorts you always used to wear, LOL. )
38:10 Dennis talks about his lawyers he got, who did his case pro bono, for free. That is a HUGE lesson for posterity, when sued by Scientology, and Scientology is wrong, be looking for a similar BIG law firm out there. it's a huge lesson.
the answer to your quetstion Tony, I'd say, is Hubbard keeps up the false promising, non stop. It's a never ending treadmill of false promises, do the next step, etc.
BUT, theoretically, Hubbard's books, (Creation of Human Ability most importantly for me) promises soul flying, out of the body. Also, Class 12 auditing is 100% per Hubbard's false promises, results in "exterior with full perception" that false promise kept me hooked all through my 27 wasted years in Scientology.
Whatever a person's false hoped for dream of getting, Scientology sales people keep selling a person's false dream hope.
Hubbard never gives up on the false promising of "out of the body" "exterior with full perception" and with "certainty" of their past lives.
If you accept your soul memories in your past lives, which you trip over and dig up in the "lower level" auditing specifically the "Standard Dianetics" and later in "New Era Dianetics" both you are almost guaranteed to tread into past lives.
Past lives logically MEANS soul hopping from one dead body life, to the newborn baby next life, and the eastern religions' beliefs in past lives, kind of is the "tag team" societal sales team that supports past lives.
Soul hopping life to life, means that soul out of the body, soul flying, seems "reasonable."
That's the whole thing to me. And then the Hubbard stepladder of soul memories pseudo-therapy, fits into this. Unburden and eliminate one's "case" of soul memories, and that supposedly takes your "case" weight off yourself, and you can supposedly are more "able" to pop out of your head and soul fly.
That's to me how Hubbard soul pseudo-therapy was to lead to myself being better able to soul fly, period.
Class 12s deliver the Hubbard pseudo-therapy to supposedly most directly result in soul flying "going exterior."
Dennis, again, was THE Class 12 Cramming Officer, for the Class 12 "org" Flag Service Org.
Dennis was quality control on the Hubbard official team of authorized Class 12 soul freeing pseudo-therapists, the top Hubbard soul therapists, Dennis kept them in "technical" line per the Hubbard Class 12 soul freeing "tech."
Dennis for those who know his role as the Class 12 "Cramming Officer" and the position that is, to the whole soul theories of the Scientology soul memories "alleviation" and exorcism practices, and then Dennis helping the leakage of NOTs and that soul theory stuff that gives finally, to the public, the fuller picture of the soul practices of Scientology!
Dennis the counter culture lead singer to a flatbed LA rock trio group that was there just before the Hippie young people riot at Sunset Blvd.
Amazing, Dennis is so emphatic and concise in explaining, things, he's not one you forget, a memorable and vastly important person, he was to me, as I read about his being "raided" when I was on the RPF at Happy Valley, and it gave me the hope that were I to escape, I'd give him a call!
Dennis is one of the anchors to this whole 1990s era of undoing official Scientology.
(If someone today wants to know what the Scientology pseudo-therapy/exorcism is, I recommend skimming through three online volumes:
Subject Volume 3
Subject Volume 4
OT Volume)
Those are the Hubbard "commands" and key theory of the soul-freeing/exorcism of the "upper" secret part of Scientology.
Scientology is a soul memories alleviation subject, supposedly, delving into your past lives soul memories, and later secret upper exorcism Scientology levels OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 aim to eliminate all of the bodiless "surplus" souls that infest our human bodies, get those "body-thetans" off our human bodies, and in doing so, those vamoosed "body-thetans" are supposedly freed of the Xenu R6 implants, and doing all this exorcism eliminates for us human beings any leakage of the R6 implanted bad ideas those "body-thetans" were leaking onto us.
The word "case" is a key word that helps explain Scientology. Per the Hubbard soul theories, we are each the core soul that we each are, and then we have debilitating "soul memories" from our this lifetime and our past lifetimes, clinging to us, and the Hubbard "lower levels" pseudo-therapy of Scientology which are all in the Subject Volumes 3 and 4, all those Hubbard "commands" stir up and help us eliminate our "own case" debilitating soul memories, including our past lives debilitating soul memories also.
THEN, on the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 today steps of official Scientology, they do their soul-freeing/exorcism of the souls who invisibly infest our human body. (these invisible souls are called the secret TWO WORD word, "body-thetans" since saying the full two words word is what Scientologists are NOT allowed to speak about them). But the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 steps are the 'body-thetans" removal/freeing steps and when those body-thetans release and leave us alone, then all the Xenu R6 implanted bad ideas in their souls minds which was leaking over to us, also vanishes off of us. That is supposedly how Scientologists handle their "OT case" (the leaking R6 bad ideas Xenu implanted into the body-thetans which was leaking over onto us even after we have reached the Hubbard "Clear" status, we have to still get rid of our "OT Case" of the Xenu R6 implant bad ideas our body-thetans leak onto us, and doing the exorcism/soul-freeing steps OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 of upper SCientology fixes all this for us.)
Anyways, it takes some time to get your head around this soul memories alleviation and souls freeing/exorcism practices of Scientology.
Hubbard never explained it this simply, thus NO members and ex members generally will be able to explain it this simply, but some of us do explain it this simply.
Loved this interview. Thank you Dennis for all you've done even if you never set out to change the world, you certainly did!
HEY DENNIS!!!!
Do you remember your cigarette holder(s) you used to use when you were the Flag Service Org Cramming Officer.
I just remembered, I forgot for years, but you used to have your cigarette holder, making your cigarette stick out!
Yes, we or I for sure, looked up to you, and I met Warren McShane before and after, and also I met Paul Wilmshurst the INCOMM guy who snagged your computers.
And, you know Dennis, I told you many times, you were a tremendous role model when I was on the RPF and read in the Freedom Mag about your being raid.
You were an anchor, a tipping point person, for my decision, an inspiration since I'd been cammed by you on the Dianetics Internship at Flag, and you remember Al Baker the black course sup for the course room just below your Cramming Officer space on the 11th floor, and I was the sidekick course sup to Al Baker.
I went to bed many times on the RPF, going over how I'd call you, as the first person, once I escaped the RPF.
but to the point, do you have any memories of your cigarette holders? (And with your cigarette holder, do you remember your White Uniform Jungle Bwanna shirt and shorts you always used to wear, LOL. )
Awesome to hear from Dennis. Great to hear that Dennis has faced down a challenge or two and keeps on going. ARS was quite a ride, that's for sure :-)
38:10 Dennis talks about his lawyers he got, who did his case pro bono, for free. That is a HUGE lesson for posterity, when sued by Scientology, and Scientology is wrong, be looking for a similar BIG law firm out there. it's a huge lesson.
the answer to your quetstion Tony, I'd say, is Hubbard keeps up the false promising, non stop. It's a never ending treadmill of false promises, do the next step, etc.
BUT, theoretically, Hubbard's books, (Creation of Human Ability most importantly for me) promises soul flying, out of the body. Also, Class 12 auditing is 100% per Hubbard's false promises, results in "exterior with full perception" that false promise kept me hooked all through my 27 wasted years in Scientology.
Whatever a person's false hoped for dream of getting, Scientology sales people keep selling a person's false dream hope.
Hubbard never gives up on the false promising of "out of the body" "exterior with full perception" and with "certainty" of their past lives.
If you accept your soul memories in your past lives, which you trip over and dig up in the "lower level" auditing specifically the "Standard Dianetics" and later in "New Era Dianetics" both you are almost guaranteed to tread into past lives.
Past lives logically MEANS soul hopping from one dead body life, to the newborn baby next life, and the eastern religions' beliefs in past lives, kind of is the "tag team" societal sales team that supports past lives.
Soul hopping life to life, means that soul out of the body, soul flying, seems "reasonable."
That's the whole thing to me. And then the Hubbard stepladder of soul memories pseudo-therapy, fits into this. Unburden and eliminate one's "case" of soul memories, and that supposedly takes your "case" weight off yourself, and you can supposedly are more "able" to pop out of your head and soul fly.
That's to me how Hubbard soul pseudo-therapy was to lead to myself being better able to soul fly, period.
Class 12s deliver the Hubbard pseudo-therapy to supposedly most directly result in soul flying "going exterior."
Dennis, again, was THE Class 12 Cramming Officer, for the Class 12 "org" Flag Service Org.
Dennis was quality control on the Hubbard official team of authorized Class 12 soul freeing pseudo-therapists, the top Hubbard soul therapists, Dennis kept them in "technical" line per the Hubbard Class 12 soul freeing "tech."
Incredible interview.
Dennis for those who know his role as the Class 12 "Cramming Officer" and the position that is, to the whole soul theories of the Scientology soul memories "alleviation" and exorcism practices, and then Dennis helping the leakage of NOTs and that soul theory stuff that gives finally, to the public, the fuller picture of the soul practices of Scientology!
Dennis the counter culture lead singer to a flatbed LA rock trio group that was there just before the Hippie young people riot at Sunset Blvd.
Amazing, Dennis is so emphatic and concise in explaining, things, he's not one you forget, a memorable and vastly important person, he was to me, as I read about his being "raided" when I was on the RPF at Happy Valley, and it gave me the hope that were I to escape, I'd give him a call!
Dennis is one of the anchors to this whole 1990s era of undoing official Scientology.
(If someone today wants to know what the Scientology pseudo-therapy/exorcism is, I recommend skimming through three online volumes:
Subject Volume 3
Subject Volume 4
OT Volume)
Those are the Hubbard "commands" and key theory of the soul-freeing/exorcism of the "upper" secret part of Scientology.
Scientology is a soul memories alleviation subject, supposedly, delving into your past lives soul memories, and later secret upper exorcism Scientology levels OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 aim to eliminate all of the bodiless "surplus" souls that infest our human bodies, get those "body-thetans" off our human bodies, and in doing so, those vamoosed "body-thetans" are supposedly freed of the Xenu R6 implants, and doing all this exorcism eliminates for us human beings any leakage of the R6 implanted bad ideas those "body-thetans" were leaking onto us.
The word "case" is a key word that helps explain Scientology. Per the Hubbard soul theories, we are each the core soul that we each are, and then we have debilitating "soul memories" from our this lifetime and our past lifetimes, clinging to us, and the Hubbard "lower levels" pseudo-therapy of Scientology which are all in the Subject Volumes 3 and 4, all those Hubbard "commands" stir up and help us eliminate our "own case" debilitating soul memories, including our past lives debilitating soul memories also.
THEN, on the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 today steps of official Scientology, they do their soul-freeing/exorcism of the souls who invisibly infest our human body. (these invisible souls are called the secret TWO WORD word, "body-thetans" since saying the full two words word is what Scientologists are NOT allowed to speak about them). But the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 steps are the 'body-thetans" removal/freeing steps and when those body-thetans release and leave us alone, then all the Xenu R6 implanted bad ideas in their souls minds which was leaking over to us, also vanishes off of us. That is supposedly how Scientologists handle their "OT case" (the leaking R6 bad ideas Xenu implanted into the body-thetans which was leaking over onto us even after we have reached the Hubbard "Clear" status, we have to still get rid of our "OT Case" of the Xenu R6 implant bad ideas our body-thetans leak onto us, and doing the exorcism/soul-freeing steps OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 of upper SCientology fixes all this for us.)
Anyways, it takes some time to get your head around this soul memories alleviation and souls freeing/exorcism practices of Scientology.
Hubbard never explained it this simply, thus NO members and ex members generally will be able to explain it this simply, but some of us do explain it this simply.
Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org 75 to 03