Karen de la Carriere let us know she’s done a video interview with Rachael Hastings, the former Scientology camerawoman who made such an interesting emergence recently talking to Leah Remini and Mike Rinder.
Back in the 90’s when I was in charge of staff medical for CC Int, I had to research out birth control methods for couples newly marrying. It was not written as a rule, but locally enforced that all married couples were on birth control.
Back then Shaw Health Center was the place to go for Sea Org medical. Dr. Shields flat out refused to do IUDs, for personal reasons.
So anyone who wanted to go that route would get the IUD had to get it from Dr. Denk. Most preferred to just get on the pill. Many used Planned Parenthood because it was much cheaper, or in many cases, free.
Even with birth control some would still get pregnant and that would be a matter for the Perimeter Counsel, where we figured out who was going to “handle” the couple to abort.
Karen DLC for the win. And the biggest winner is Rachael Hastings. Escape is good, and having a family by choice is very good. Unless you are a Sea bOrg, then your body belongs to Miscavige. IUDs are not inserted 'surgically', it does take a doctor or Nurse Practitioner to do that job.
The Sea bOrg are slaves, in every sense of the word. I would like to drop leaflets at Golden Showers and tell the slaves about the Aftermath Foundation.
Just when you think you've seen it all, something worse comes to light. Very well done Karen and Rachael.
The coercion to abort, before, and the deterrence now, demonstrates among other things that the parameters applied are like those of a company, of maximum profitability with lower costs, and that could implicitly indicate that in the face of the productivity losses of having children! That It will be a profit later! They choose to continue seducing, and negotiating'... with others. I think it's coldly calculated.
Fascinating that Hubbard had so much to say regarding having children both positive and negative. When it gets down to it, children are a distraction in the eyes Miscavige and his minions. And at the same time they are cannon fodder when they grow old enough. Once of age they are all hit on to join staff, usually with the blessings of their Scientology parents. Fortunately for my son and daughter, my ex-wife and I said hands off to the SO recruiters. I was in the SO. No way.
They both disconnected from me. At least I know they have no interest in joining the SO.
Me too. The actual morning I first drove to the Scientology "Org" in Phoenix Arizona, I intentionally stopped by a local Phoenix guru place. But as no one was at reception there, they were all upstairs humming/chanting, I then drove to Scientology and got suckered in there.
The view that one can have outside the United States of that organization, I think, based on perception, based on my own experience as a declared enemy, is not so much (that "American" view) of situations in which that group is behind situations, but rather acting clandestinely, because the only real showcase in sight is in the United States (mostly) That secrecy could be behind seeing empty churches in many cities, rather than their extinction, I speculate...
I believe that clandestinity is more profitable, that it can be used even confidentially, as another element of seduction, for 'distracted' people, and secondly for 'redeemed' objectives, after social isolation protocols and ' bad luck'. uninterrupted, psychologically devastating, which I dare to speculate could be a third or a quarter of his secure income, (or I am very wrong, of course), apart from the notebook and the pen applicable to everything that moves, as ordered from the beginning, the fiction writer.
One of the main keys, I believe, is the demonization of the objective, in the eyes of the members and society; That alone is 80% won, and the followers will not question that. And if for this you have to set traps so that it at least appears that way, then it is done and insured (if it goes well). And if it doesn't go well, applying Nazi propaganda techniques from Goebels, lies will be released so big and extensive that few will be able to doubt, etc etc.
The biggest problem the world has is its widespread prevention, which would be an effective brake, but like everything we know it cannot be demonstrated... it cannot be legally prevented, without "slandering or insulting" such a saint. .non-profit institution....
The Internet has helped, but there are still millions of distracted people who have never followed any "significant" news from this parish, and that's good for them.
The only one who has quantitative data on followers is Miscavige, and I don't know if he confided it to Mike Rinder at the time, because we already know that Miscavige doesn't even trust his shadow.
I'm going to share with you a little secret that some won't be surprised by.
A few months ago, and given my invisible connection with this organization, it occurred to me to send an email to the official website of the Church of Scientology of Madrid, asking for a bank account number, so I could make a money deposit. , for some social project... 😏
They didn't answer me! How strange... But it started coming out of nowhere, "lovely" people who really wanted friendship... And do you know what happened?
That I had no intention of becoming more intimate... After years of harassment and much more, it seems that they were preparing to complete the mission of my 'early retirement', the perfect alibi... the start of sales and letting themselves be helped. ..😏
One by one I said: "Excuse me but I'm in a hurry"..
Or maybe it was all a fruit of my imagination, of course. With that, it is difficult to avoid their modus operandi towards money.
Such excellent info in this interview between Karen and Rachel.
So much simpler the way Karen puts Scientology's "upper" secret stuff, as simply calling it exorcism.
I hope this becomes more widely similarly said.
Scientology's a pseudo-therapy and exorcism spiritual practice, and official Scientology is more "orthodox" only because official Miscavige's Scientology plays out more of L. Ron Hubbard's nastiest and most anti Human Rights regulations which Hubbard laid out. Versus splinter tiny groups of freezone/independent Scientologists who dispense with the Hubbard massive self punishing regulations, the freezone/splinter/independent tiniest groups of Scientologists, and some notable single shingle practising Scientologists, are decent normal persons who just don't do the nastiest extremist crazy stuff shunning, etc, of the David Miscavige "orthodox" Scientology with all official Scientology's lawyers who rip off official Scientology, since Hubbard demanded lawyers to go after "enemies" of Scientology.
Someday, this point I'm making, will get to public consciousness.
If someone wants to know "What Is Scientology?" then today I just say it's
pseudo-therapy
exorcism
official Scientology is the cult totalitarian extremist shunning larger, but still tiny, operation of traininng on the pseudo-therapy practices and training on the exorcism "secret" no longer practices.
And splinter even super tiny splinter Scientology do the pseudo-therapy and exorcism and some do experimental "squirrel" further pseudo-therapy on themselves.
Pseudo-therapy and exorcism, that's the spiritual practices of Scientology.
The "bad" horrible Scientology is mainly official Scientology with the lawyers protected legal anti-human rights self punishing extremist shunning and "enemies of Scientology" PI tactics, that's the David Miscavige "orthodox" Scientology interpreting the worst extensive Hubbard regulations legally upon their official Scientology members who sign ridiculously anti human rights legal agreements to participate in official Scientology. Only the worst lawyers of the most immoral blindered self censoring immoral (did I say immoral enough, no) nature benefit from official Scientology. Lawyers help Scientology dig official Scientology's own grave morally. (Maybe the nasty Scientology lawyers are to be thanked as they help tank noxious L. Ron Hubbard's official full blown cult Scientology.)
Anyways, if people wish to know "What Is Scientology?" look up Scientologeek on YouTube she can point to where to download the "Subject Volumes 3 and 4" and the "OT Volume" and then a person can skim through those 3 large book length works of the L. Ron Hubbard spiritual beliefs.
If anyone wishes to grade anyone else's understanding on Scientology, use those three works:
Subject Volume 3
Subject Volume 4
OT Volume
and quiz the person on Scientology's pseudo-therapy and exoricsm procedures.
The horrible regulations of Scientology are in the "Introduction to Scientology Ethics Book" and in the Green Volume 1, which Scientologeek can assist anyone how to download Green Volume 1 which has the FULL listing of L. Ron Hubbard's ridiculously anti human rights regulations.
Scientology is L. Ron Hubbard's baby.
The splinter Scientologists have wisely thrown out a lot of the bathwater and much of the regulations "baby" of L. Ron Hubbard's, and some of the best freezone/splinter Scientologists just do the pseudo-therapy and exorcism and some variations of the Hubbard pseudo-therapy on one another.
The Underground Bunker is priceless for keeping up on the looniness of the splinter Scientologists, so they aren't all some benign group to venture into all of them. Some are clearly nuts, others are not nuts, the nicer ones, Trey Lotz comes to mind, it's amazing to me Trey's not been interviewed nor written about extensively by anyone yet.
That's the big outline of "What Is Scientology?"
It's all quackery, skip it, but if you want to know what the spiritual beliefs were, like I did my whole long wasted career in Sea Org 1975 to 2003 and then from 2003 to now I've been trying to understand what this operation was, then get Subject Volumes 3 and 4 and the OT Volume and skim it for the Hubbard quackery and exorcism procedures and imagine what that will do your mind.
"Creation of Human Ability" I'd throw in to skim that also, the "Be three feet back of your head" pseudo-therapy, and the "Grand Tour" pseudo-therapy, those two pseudo-therapy procedures show you what L. Ron Hubbard believes are real spiritual events that Scientology's pseudo-therapy can cause, namely that a person can be soul astronaut ejected out of their human skulls and travel "out their human body" as a pure soul. Soul traveling is the eventual goal of Scientology, as per Chapter "Parts of Man" where Hubbard claims the best status for a person is "outside and near" to their human body, meaning a soul ejection out of one's skull and one's experiencing reality from outside of one's body but near to it.
Scientology is what Hubbard claims it is, and the above references get to the crux of it.
Back in the 90’s when I was in charge of staff medical for CC Int, I had to research out birth control methods for couples newly marrying. It was not written as a rule, but locally enforced that all married couples were on birth control.
Back then Shaw Health Center was the place to go for Sea Org medical. Dr. Shields flat out refused to do IUDs, for personal reasons.
So anyone who wanted to go that route would get the IUD had to get it from Dr. Denk. Most preferred to just get on the pill. Many used Planned Parenthood because it was much cheaper, or in many cases, free.
Even with birth control some would still get pregnant and that would be a matter for the Perimeter Counsel, where we figured out who was going to “handle” the couple to abort.
Sunny, it’s so sad that we thought this normal.
My mind would be a block of wood by now if I’d stayed!
Karen DLC for the win. And the biggest winner is Rachael Hastings. Escape is good, and having a family by choice is very good. Unless you are a Sea bOrg, then your body belongs to Miscavige. IUDs are not inserted 'surgically', it does take a doctor or Nurse Practitioner to do that job.
The Sea bOrg are slaves, in every sense of the word. I would like to drop leaflets at Golden Showers and tell the slaves about the Aftermath Foundation.
Just when you think you've seen it all, something worse comes to light. Very well done Karen and Rachael.
cyborg = seaborg
Know this: scientology organizations and leaders are the opposite of what they claim to be.
They INTENTIONALLY, per their "sacred scriptures", abuse, defraud, lie, human traffic, and engage
in all sorts of nefarious criminal activities and human rights abuses as predictably and reliably as the earth spins on its axis.
Today's story confirms this. Same shit, same toilet, same intergalactic stench.
well said mark
The coercion to abort, before, and the deterrence now, demonstrates among other things that the parameters applied are like those of a company, of maximum profitability with lower costs, and that could implicitly indicate that in the face of the productivity losses of having children! That It will be a profit later! They choose to continue seducing, and negotiating'... with others. I think it's coldly calculated.
Fascinating that Hubbard had so much to say regarding having children both positive and negative. When it gets down to it, children are a distraction in the eyes Miscavige and his minions. And at the same time they are cannon fodder when they grow old enough. Once of age they are all hit on to join staff, usually with the blessings of their Scientology parents. Fortunately for my son and daughter, my ex-wife and I said hands off to the SO recruiters. I was in the SO. No way.
They both disconnected from me. At least I know they have no interest in joining the SO.
I'm curious Geoff if you considered any of the eastern religions like Buddhism or HInduism before choosing Scientology.
Yes, we were going to do transcendental meditation just before Scientology reared it’s ugly head.
Me too. The actual morning I first drove to the Scientology "Org" in Phoenix Arizona, I intentionally stopped by a local Phoenix guru place. But as no one was at reception there, they were all upstairs humming/chanting, I then drove to Scientology and got suckered in there.
Very similar histories. We would not be here talking if of us had chosen TM at the time.
The view that one can have outside the United States of that organization, I think, based on perception, based on my own experience as a declared enemy, is not so much (that "American" view) of situations in which that group is behind situations, but rather acting clandestinely, because the only real showcase in sight is in the United States (mostly) That secrecy could be behind seeing empty churches in many cities, rather than their extinction, I speculate...
I believe that clandestinity is more profitable, that it can be used even confidentially, as another element of seduction, for 'distracted' people, and secondly for 'redeemed' objectives, after social isolation protocols and ' bad luck'. uninterrupted, psychologically devastating, which I dare to speculate could be a third or a quarter of his secure income, (or I am very wrong, of course), apart from the notebook and the pen applicable to everything that moves, as ordered from the beginning, the fiction writer.
One of the main keys, I believe, is the demonization of the objective, in the eyes of the members and society; That alone is 80% won, and the followers will not question that. And if for this you have to set traps so that it at least appears that way, then it is done and insured (if it goes well). And if it doesn't go well, applying Nazi propaganda techniques from Goebels, lies will be released so big and extensive that few will be able to doubt, etc etc.
The biggest problem the world has is its widespread prevention, which would be an effective brake, but like everything we know it cannot be demonstrated... it cannot be legally prevented, without "slandering or insulting" such a saint. .non-profit institution....
The Internet has helped, but there are still millions of distracted people who have never followed any "significant" news from this parish, and that's good for them.
The only one who has quantitative data on followers is Miscavige, and I don't know if he confided it to Mike Rinder at the time, because we already know that Miscavige doesn't even trust his shadow.
I'm going to share with you a little secret that some won't be surprised by.
A few months ago, and given my invisible connection with this organization, it occurred to me to send an email to the official website of the Church of Scientology of Madrid, asking for a bank account number, so I could make a money deposit. , for some social project... 😏
They didn't answer me! How strange... But it started coming out of nowhere, "lovely" people who really wanted friendship... And do you know what happened?
That I had no intention of becoming more intimate... After years of harassment and much more, it seems that they were preparing to complete the mission of my 'early retirement', the perfect alibi... the start of sales and letting themselves be helped. ..😏
One by one I said: "Excuse me but I'm in a hurry"..
Or maybe it was all a fruit of my imagination, of course. With that, it is difficult to avoid their modus operandi towards money.
wow scientology is truly a cruel cult indeed
Such excellent info in this interview between Karen and Rachel.
So much simpler the way Karen puts Scientology's "upper" secret stuff, as simply calling it exorcism.
I hope this becomes more widely similarly said.
Scientology's a pseudo-therapy and exorcism spiritual practice, and official Scientology is more "orthodox" only because official Miscavige's Scientology plays out more of L. Ron Hubbard's nastiest and most anti Human Rights regulations which Hubbard laid out. Versus splinter tiny groups of freezone/independent Scientologists who dispense with the Hubbard massive self punishing regulations, the freezone/splinter/independent tiniest groups of Scientologists, and some notable single shingle practising Scientologists, are decent normal persons who just don't do the nastiest extremist crazy stuff shunning, etc, of the David Miscavige "orthodox" Scientology with all official Scientology's lawyers who rip off official Scientology, since Hubbard demanded lawyers to go after "enemies" of Scientology.
Someday, this point I'm making, will get to public consciousness.
If someone wants to know "What Is Scientology?" then today I just say it's
pseudo-therapy
exorcism
official Scientology is the cult totalitarian extremist shunning larger, but still tiny, operation of traininng on the pseudo-therapy practices and training on the exorcism "secret" no longer practices.
And splinter even super tiny splinter Scientology do the pseudo-therapy and exorcism and some do experimental "squirrel" further pseudo-therapy on themselves.
Pseudo-therapy and exorcism, that's the spiritual practices of Scientology.
The "bad" horrible Scientology is mainly official Scientology with the lawyers protected legal anti-human rights self punishing extremist shunning and "enemies of Scientology" PI tactics, that's the David Miscavige "orthodox" Scientology interpreting the worst extensive Hubbard regulations legally upon their official Scientology members who sign ridiculously anti human rights legal agreements to participate in official Scientology. Only the worst lawyers of the most immoral blindered self censoring immoral (did I say immoral enough, no) nature benefit from official Scientology. Lawyers help Scientology dig official Scientology's own grave morally. (Maybe the nasty Scientology lawyers are to be thanked as they help tank noxious L. Ron Hubbard's official full blown cult Scientology.)
Anyways, if people wish to know "What Is Scientology?" look up Scientologeek on YouTube she can point to where to download the "Subject Volumes 3 and 4" and the "OT Volume" and then a person can skim through those 3 large book length works of the L. Ron Hubbard spiritual beliefs.
If anyone wishes to grade anyone else's understanding on Scientology, use those three works:
Subject Volume 3
Subject Volume 4
OT Volume
and quiz the person on Scientology's pseudo-therapy and exoricsm procedures.
The horrible regulations of Scientology are in the "Introduction to Scientology Ethics Book" and in the Green Volume 1, which Scientologeek can assist anyone how to download Green Volume 1 which has the FULL listing of L. Ron Hubbard's ridiculously anti human rights regulations.
Scientology is L. Ron Hubbard's baby.
The splinter Scientologists have wisely thrown out a lot of the bathwater and much of the regulations "baby" of L. Ron Hubbard's, and some of the best freezone/splinter Scientologists just do the pseudo-therapy and exorcism and some variations of the Hubbard pseudo-therapy on one another.
The Underground Bunker is priceless for keeping up on the looniness of the splinter Scientologists, so they aren't all some benign group to venture into all of them. Some are clearly nuts, others are not nuts, the nicer ones, Trey Lotz comes to mind, it's amazing to me Trey's not been interviewed nor written about extensively by anyone yet.
That's the big outline of "What Is Scientology?"
It's all quackery, skip it, but if you want to know what the spiritual beliefs were, like I did my whole long wasted career in Sea Org 1975 to 2003 and then from 2003 to now I've been trying to understand what this operation was, then get Subject Volumes 3 and 4 and the OT Volume and skim it for the Hubbard quackery and exorcism procedures and imagine what that will do your mind.
"Creation of Human Ability" I'd throw in to skim that also, the "Be three feet back of your head" pseudo-therapy, and the "Grand Tour" pseudo-therapy, those two pseudo-therapy procedures show you what L. Ron Hubbard believes are real spiritual events that Scientology's pseudo-therapy can cause, namely that a person can be soul astronaut ejected out of their human skulls and travel "out their human body" as a pure soul. Soul traveling is the eventual goal of Scientology, as per Chapter "Parts of Man" where Hubbard claims the best status for a person is "outside and near" to their human body, meaning a soul ejection out of one's skull and one's experiencing reality from outside of one's body but near to it.
Scientology is what Hubbard claims it is, and the above references get to the crux of it.
nice reply