We continue to receive reactions from readers since Scientology responded to the Whitney Mills wrongful-death lawsuit by angrily denying that she had been encouraged by a fellow church member to do a “drop the body assist.” The church said there was no such thing in Scientology, and we have been
"Nature was taking its course and the church just took the credit." How $cientological.
The 'drop the body' assist is real and is (soon to be 'was') given out when the Clam was dying. Be that death 'natural' or self inflicted, the 'assist' was done. Scream and shout all you want Clampire, the Whitney Mills family have you by the short hairs.
In 1976 at Flag, Clearwater, I was on Flag Service Org staff, training on the Dianetics lineup, and was a guinea pig patient to the Hubbard past lives delving quack pseudo-therapy. I ran an incident of a space ship battle, and not a few hours later, one of my then roommates claimed he was the Captain on that ship in the same incident I was running.
It's weird, to say the least, somehow I was able to just think everyone's "case" of past lives memories were their own.
Hubbard says in his pile of crap massive writings that even if people's past lives memories are sketchy and unbelievable, he said over time everyone each sorts out the sketchiness themselves.
So, everyone's past lives, Hubbard in some loophole comments, gives us all a break from believing TOO much into their exactness, saying there will be clearly wrong things.
So, this loophole, and all the other loophole Hubbard statements, are what theoretically allowed me to NOT get to excited about mine, or anyone else's, past lives memories which will be dodgy, to say the least.
What kept me duped all my wasted decades is the false promising Hubbard past lives "therapy" quackery cult (and the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism "levels" to remove Xenu's body-thetans off ourselves, that's a totally ludicrous proposition), was that through doing all this quackery, I thought "we" were making soul flyers out of each other. I kept believing people were regaining their supernatural soul powers.
I thought people were getting into that optimum soul state as described in the 1950s "basic" Scientology book, titled, "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought", specifically the chapter "Parts of Man" where Hubbard claims by doing his quack therapy the doers of this quackery will implicitly obtain the status of being fully conscious of themselves as a pure soul which is OUTSIDE the human body.
Hubbard's "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought", chapter "Parts of Man", section on the thetan (soul, we each are our own core soul, we don't have a soul, we are our soul, and we learn from Hubbard's teachings we have soul memories debilitating to ourselves, and later on OT 3 and OT 5 you learn you have invisible souls infesting your human body which leak their debilitating soul memories into our "Clear'ed" mind, thus the reason for doing the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism is to remove those invisible souls off us, and result in all their debilitating soul memories ceasing to impact us, making us way better than merely the Hubbard "Clear" soul status), all this is how I saw it.
Scientology was to make us all "OT" souls, fully capable of soul flying out of our bodies.
That to me is the ultimate soul con of Scientology, why I felt most horrible betrayed, and Hubbard blames all everyone's failure to become like in "Parts of Man" chapter , on us.
All the con not working is on us. Not on Hubbard's false claims.
But, I've concluded, and normal people see this before getting into Scientology, that soul flying out of the human body is a myth, it's a sketchy hallucination experience, "remote viewing" to me is simply hallucination, or mental imagery manipulation a person can become adept and convince themselves they are "exterior" to their human bodies, when they in fact are NOT.
Scientology to me is thus a con, on the "Parts of Man" out of the body false promise point, the biggest crux why I'd answer why it lured me so long, and why in the end, it's a big false choice, don't do it.
The biggest final joke, self caused by Hubbard, is the Xenu body-thetans soul theory explaining. Hubbard made it taboo of the highest order of taboo, to explain Xenu's mass murdering, Wall of Fire, body-thetans being implanted with the R6 implants, body-thetans infesting us humans today requiring the Hubbard OT 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 exorcism "levels" to remove all these body-thetans/invisible souls off our human body, supposedly, to free us to regain our supernatural soul powers we once had.
Scientology is a big long runway snipe-hunting tag along with other human soul powers cons, which only brainwash followers into parroting they have become supernatural, when in fact they have not.
Chuck, what is your advice for mitigating the trauma of wasting time, money and heartfelt dedication towards the false dogma of Hubbards OT Levels? How do you accelerate your healing process?
See a medical doctor, get advice of a therapist/psychologist, and keep hunting up good therapists until you find one you can keep going to.
READING and education, on your interests in life. If you don't have an enjoyable hobby, get one or more, and devote your time to those.
On the religion angle, I think any traditional religion is better than Scientology, so I'm fine on people changing their religion.
If you are atheistically inclined, then science and all parts of science which are your hobby like interested areas. (I was atheist first out of Scientology, then after 15 years started getting interested in Buddhism now.)
Reading is the most beneficial to me.
I started with "The Great Books" (I bought them while in Sea Org, and finally began reading them while at the very end of the RPF's RPF time in Sea Org, LOL).
There's the Harvard Classics. The Kindle Harvard classics are a ridiculously inexpensive massive amount of reading, just impossible to read them all.
I mean whatever is your hobby or hobbies, that to me is huge.
Life's short, when Jeff Hawkins came out, on the old Ex Sea Org Chat Site, Jeff mentioned the "What Color Is Your Parachute" book, from it, what I found best advice was choose a job you love doing, and keep applying for it til you get it. I'm a worker bee person, not a business owner or leader, so I chose finally a job and a location I waited basically 10 years to get, and made the move, and every day of work is a joy.
Hobbies and a job you like, were my two ways out of the Hubbard rubbish.
Reading and hiking are two hobbies, and kind of impossible not to be able to do, and that's what I found best. Reading though, and today, we have audible books, and podcasts and YouTube, to listen to books, listen to smart people explain things well.
I got into Scientology thinking all who did the L's attained the ability to exteriorize at will, and I kept hoping this was true.
Karen de la Carriere disabused me of that false claim by Hubbard.
Number one answer to your question, is reading. Reading books and good magazines and good newspapers. I got a subscription to the Sunday New York Times my first month out of Sea Org/RPF and went from there.
Thanks Chuck. Spot on advice. For me it has been diving into my music and film career. Also therapy and lots of re-education. I appreciate your detailed stories and advices. Very helpful.
My full time activity is composing for movies and TV, creat production music tracks, record producing for artists, songwriting, creating marketing and commercial music and producing films.
Right now I’m preparing to sell my documentary Brothers Broken and a music library I’m produced with my partner Bruce Chianese. Selling is its own special skill. I’m learning every day.
Davey boy is going to need new shoes from the footbullets in this case. Any religion that was actually a religion would have responded “our church does not actively encourage anyone to die. However, our parishioners sometimes seek solace with us regarding end of life matters and if needed our trained pastors can help them ease their minds during that difficult time.”
That is exactly what I have been saying. They are making a big deal out of nothing. Every church has end-of-life rites, usually confidential or can be. Why doesn't the COS hire us to do their PR (not)?
Sadly this form of superstition is not limited to Scientologists.
When I escaped from the Int Base, for some years I was still a True Believer. Used to cry when I watched Jennifer Love Hewitt in "Ghost Whisperers". It took a lot of study and some very loving and tolerant help from family and friends to actually escape the religion. You can take Salem out of the country but ... you can't take the country out of Salem! (Old cigarette commercial for those under 60).
If you have never been through the end-of-life process with a loved one, you may find this hard to believe. But the end-of-life assist is very common outside of the Scientology context.
Supposedly a doctor has to determine that the person has only x months of life left (varies in different states and countries). Then the person enters hospice care, which means they are no longer trying to cure the person. Just to keep them as comfortable as possible while they die. It seems very callous and harsh stated that way, but in reality you could spend millions and put the person through hell just to have them die anyway. It is impossible to know.
Unfortunately, doctors have no hot-line to the Deity and make mistakes about how many months the person has to live. And often a person in that condition is no longer able to make good decisions about their care, or even talk. It is important to discuss this before they reach that stage and make sure you understand their wishes.
Sometimes this works out just like it does in the movies, with the family gathered around to hear the profound last words of the person as he slips away into the big light. Maybe. I have never heard of such a thing in real life.
Usually there are other scenarios, one of which is the "why doesn't he just die?" one. The loved one cannot speak or acknowledge your presence, but he or she goes on breathing somehow. Even long past the stage where they can eat or drink.
I have heard from palliative care nurses that sometimes they seem to be embarrassed to pass on when someone is present and wait until everyone leaves for a coffee break. Other times they just seem to need to be told that it is OK to just let go. Or perhaps they are waiting for someone to be there who never will be.
At any rate, most religions have some ritual or tradition like the Last Rites of the Catholics. I can't honestly say that they do more good than the stupid Scientology version. The non-religious version of just telling the person to let go is no better. In this situation it is impossible to leave a one-star review.
Scientology does take the cruelty to another level by applying it to people that are simply gravely ill, not actively dying. True, it can be hard to discern the difference accurately, but the "church" applies it just to quell dissent or clean up a messy situation they created. Even that is not unique to Scientology, though, check out the Canadian "Medical Assistance in Dying" law and its abuses.
I am here to bury Scientology, not to praise it. Despite the confident platitudes of the ignorant, the end of life is a difficult process. There are no easy answers.
Case in point: Jimmy Carter entered hospice care in February 2023. There was speculation he would die shortly after Rosalynn did in November 2023, maybe that is what he held on for, yet he is still alive.
His body seems to be an iron tank. Rosalyn lasted one day in hospice and he has been there a year..... and he had brain cancer a few years ago. The human body is a curious thing.
Thank you to everyone sharing their stories. I hope you have already bought your whois[yourname].com domains before OSA gets to them. May the odds be in your favor that CoS is for once smart enough to not go after you.
Aside: I know it's good PR for them to be seen 'working with' the local fire department, but that bonus item actually sounds like a useful event for folks. Especially as wildfire/mudslide/etc. season is here.
I am not sure what Scientology has to fear acknowledging an end of life assist. I have been with people as they passed, and had people with me when I could have gone either way. If there is a time when an assist might be needed, that is one of them. Admittedly my perspective is a bit different than that of Scientology. I don’t know whether to go to the light or not, but I learned from an old Twilight Zone episode to follow your dog because they are not fooled.
In any event, the earlier reference to remote viewing made me wonder if anyone has tried to remote view Hubbard. I am skeptical of remote viewing claims but if you can remote view aliens or learn about what’s happening on Mars, it seems like tracking down Ron should not be that difficult.
"Nature was taking its course and the church just took the credit." How $cientological.
The 'drop the body' assist is real and is (soon to be 'was') given out when the Clam was dying. Be that death 'natural' or self inflicted, the 'assist' was done. Scream and shout all you want Clampire, the Whitney Mills family have you by the short hairs.
In 1976 at Flag, Clearwater, I was on Flag Service Org staff, training on the Dianetics lineup, and was a guinea pig patient to the Hubbard past lives delving quack pseudo-therapy. I ran an incident of a space ship battle, and not a few hours later, one of my then roommates claimed he was the Captain on that ship in the same incident I was running.
It's weird, to say the least, somehow I was able to just think everyone's "case" of past lives memories were their own.
Hubbard says in his pile of crap massive writings that even if people's past lives memories are sketchy and unbelievable, he said over time everyone each sorts out the sketchiness themselves.
So, everyone's past lives, Hubbard in some loophole comments, gives us all a break from believing TOO much into their exactness, saying there will be clearly wrong things.
So, this loophole, and all the other loophole Hubbard statements, are what theoretically allowed me to NOT get to excited about mine, or anyone else's, past lives memories which will be dodgy, to say the least.
What kept me duped all my wasted decades is the false promising Hubbard past lives "therapy" quackery cult (and the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism "levels" to remove Xenu's body-thetans off ourselves, that's a totally ludicrous proposition), was that through doing all this quackery, I thought "we" were making soul flyers out of each other. I kept believing people were regaining their supernatural soul powers.
I thought people were getting into that optimum soul state as described in the 1950s "basic" Scientology book, titled, "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought", specifically the chapter "Parts of Man" where Hubbard claims by doing his quack therapy the doers of this quackery will implicitly obtain the status of being fully conscious of themselves as a pure soul which is OUTSIDE the human body.
Hubbard's "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought", chapter "Parts of Man", section on the thetan (soul, we each are our own core soul, we don't have a soul, we are our soul, and we learn from Hubbard's teachings we have soul memories debilitating to ourselves, and later on OT 3 and OT 5 you learn you have invisible souls infesting your human body which leak their debilitating soul memories into our "Clear'ed" mind, thus the reason for doing the OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism is to remove those invisible souls off us, and result in all their debilitating soul memories ceasing to impact us, making us way better than merely the Hubbard "Clear" soul status), all this is how I saw it.
Scientology was to make us all "OT" souls, fully capable of soul flying out of our bodies.
That to me is the ultimate soul con of Scientology, why I felt most horrible betrayed, and Hubbard blames all everyone's failure to become like in "Parts of Man" chapter , on us.
All the con not working is on us. Not on Hubbard's false claims.
But, I've concluded, and normal people see this before getting into Scientology, that soul flying out of the human body is a myth, it's a sketchy hallucination experience, "remote viewing" to me is simply hallucination, or mental imagery manipulation a person can become adept and convince themselves they are "exterior" to their human bodies, when they in fact are NOT.
Scientology to me is thus a con, on the "Parts of Man" out of the body false promise point, the biggest crux why I'd answer why it lured me so long, and why in the end, it's a big false choice, don't do it.
The biggest final joke, self caused by Hubbard, is the Xenu body-thetans soul theory explaining. Hubbard made it taboo of the highest order of taboo, to explain Xenu's mass murdering, Wall of Fire, body-thetans being implanted with the R6 implants, body-thetans infesting us humans today requiring the Hubbard OT 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 exorcism "levels" to remove all these body-thetans/invisible souls off our human body, supposedly, to free us to regain our supernatural soul powers we once had.
Scientology is a big long runway snipe-hunting tag along with other human soul powers cons, which only brainwash followers into parroting they have become supernatural, when in fact they have not.
This anonymous era YouTube song says it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyigdRxPOR4
Chuck, what is your advice for mitigating the trauma of wasting time, money and heartfelt dedication towards the false dogma of Hubbards OT Levels? How do you accelerate your healing process?
See a medical doctor, get advice of a therapist/psychologist, and keep hunting up good therapists until you find one you can keep going to.
READING and education, on your interests in life. If you don't have an enjoyable hobby, get one or more, and devote your time to those.
On the religion angle, I think any traditional religion is better than Scientology, so I'm fine on people changing their religion.
If you are atheistically inclined, then science and all parts of science which are your hobby like interested areas. (I was atheist first out of Scientology, then after 15 years started getting interested in Buddhism now.)
Reading is the most beneficial to me.
I started with "The Great Books" (I bought them while in Sea Org, and finally began reading them while at the very end of the RPF's RPF time in Sea Org, LOL).
There's the Harvard Classics. The Kindle Harvard classics are a ridiculously inexpensive massive amount of reading, just impossible to read them all.
I mean whatever is your hobby or hobbies, that to me is huge.
Life's short, when Jeff Hawkins came out, on the old Ex Sea Org Chat Site, Jeff mentioned the "What Color Is Your Parachute" book, from it, what I found best advice was choose a job you love doing, and keep applying for it til you get it. I'm a worker bee person, not a business owner or leader, so I chose finally a job and a location I waited basically 10 years to get, and made the move, and every day of work is a joy.
Hobbies and a job you like, were my two ways out of the Hubbard rubbish.
Reading and hiking are two hobbies, and kind of impossible not to be able to do, and that's what I found best. Reading though, and today, we have audible books, and podcasts and YouTube, to listen to books, listen to smart people explain things well.
I got into Scientology thinking all who did the L's attained the ability to exteriorize at will, and I kept hoping this was true.
Karen de la Carriere disabused me of that false claim by Hubbard.
Number one answer to your question, is reading. Reading books and good magazines and good newspapers. I got a subscription to the Sunday New York Times my first month out of Sea Org/RPF and went from there.
Thanks Chuck. Spot on advice. For me it has been diving into my music and film career. Also therapy and lots of re-education. I appreciate your detailed stories and advices. Very helpful.
My full time activity is composing for movies and TV, creat production music tracks, record producing for artists, songwriting, creating marketing and commercial music and producing films.
Right now I’m preparing to sell my documentary Brothers Broken and a music library I’m produced with my partner Bruce Chianese. Selling is its own special skill. I’m learning every day.
Tune Sonic Music
https://s.disco.ac/xhlzyxhdpjip
Brothers Broken trailer & website
https://www.brothersbroken.com
Davey boy is going to need new shoes from the footbullets in this case. Any religion that was actually a religion would have responded “our church does not actively encourage anyone to die. However, our parishioners sometimes seek solace with us regarding end of life matters and if needed our trained pastors can help them ease their minds during that difficult time.”
That is exactly what I have been saying. They are making a big deal out of nothing. Every church has end-of-life rites, usually confidential or can be. Why doesn't the COS hire us to do their PR (not)?
Sadly this form of superstition is not limited to Scientologists.
When I escaped from the Int Base, for some years I was still a True Believer. Used to cry when I watched Jennifer Love Hewitt in "Ghost Whisperers". It took a lot of study and some very loving and tolerant help from family and friends to actually escape the religion. You can take Salem out of the country but ... you can't take the country out of Salem! (Old cigarette commercial for those under 60).
If you have never been through the end-of-life process with a loved one, you may find this hard to believe. But the end-of-life assist is very common outside of the Scientology context.
Supposedly a doctor has to determine that the person has only x months of life left (varies in different states and countries). Then the person enters hospice care, which means they are no longer trying to cure the person. Just to keep them as comfortable as possible while they die. It seems very callous and harsh stated that way, but in reality you could spend millions and put the person through hell just to have them die anyway. It is impossible to know.
Unfortunately, doctors have no hot-line to the Deity and make mistakes about how many months the person has to live. And often a person in that condition is no longer able to make good decisions about their care, or even talk. It is important to discuss this before they reach that stage and make sure you understand their wishes.
Sometimes this works out just like it does in the movies, with the family gathered around to hear the profound last words of the person as he slips away into the big light. Maybe. I have never heard of such a thing in real life.
Usually there are other scenarios, one of which is the "why doesn't he just die?" one. The loved one cannot speak or acknowledge your presence, but he or she goes on breathing somehow. Even long past the stage where they can eat or drink.
I have heard from palliative care nurses that sometimes they seem to be embarrassed to pass on when someone is present and wait until everyone leaves for a coffee break. Other times they just seem to need to be told that it is OK to just let go. Or perhaps they are waiting for someone to be there who never will be.
At any rate, most religions have some ritual or tradition like the Last Rites of the Catholics. I can't honestly say that they do more good than the stupid Scientology version. The non-religious version of just telling the person to let go is no better. In this situation it is impossible to leave a one-star review.
Scientology does take the cruelty to another level by applying it to people that are simply gravely ill, not actively dying. True, it can be hard to discern the difference accurately, but the "church" applies it just to quell dissent or clean up a messy situation they created. Even that is not unique to Scientology, though, check out the Canadian "Medical Assistance in Dying" law and its abuses.
I am here to bury Scientology, not to praise it. Despite the confident platitudes of the ignorant, the end of life is a difficult process. There are no easy answers.
Case in point: Jimmy Carter entered hospice care in February 2023. There was speculation he would die shortly after Rosalynn did in November 2023, maybe that is what he held on for, yet he is still alive.
His body seems to be an iron tank. Rosalyn lasted one day in hospice and he has been there a year..... and he had brain cancer a few years ago. The human body is a curious thing.
Thank you to everyone sharing their stories. I hope you have already bought your whois[yourname].com domains before OSA gets to them. May the odds be in your favor that CoS is for once smart enough to not go after you.
Aside: I know it's good PR for them to be seen 'working with' the local fire department, but that bonus item actually sounds like a useful event for folks. Especially as wildfire/mudslide/etc. season is here.
I am not sure what Scientology has to fear acknowledging an end of life assist. I have been with people as they passed, and had people with me when I could have gone either way. If there is a time when an assist might be needed, that is one of them. Admittedly my perspective is a bit different than that of Scientology. I don’t know whether to go to the light or not, but I learned from an old Twilight Zone episode to follow your dog because they are not fooled.
In any event, the earlier reference to remote viewing made me wonder if anyone has tried to remote view Hubbard. I am skeptical of remote viewing claims but if you can remote view aliens or learn about what’s happening on Mars, it seems like tracking down Ron should not be that difficult.
This is an unconscionable action and I intend it will be widely publicized and criticized during and after the Whitney Mills case.
So, LRH reincarnated or "walked-in" a felon? How appropo.
So basically his thetan was like "you were a felon but apparently didn't learn from that so let's try again"?
Something like that yes, hahaha