On June 26, we told you that the plaintiffs in a federal labor trafficking lawsuit against Scientology — Australian residents Valeska Paris, and Gawain and Laura Baxter — had asked a Tampa court to reconsider a ruling that will force the case into Scientology’s “religious arbitration.”
Anyone else notice a rash of new terms of service popping up? Everything from my LG TV to Ancestry.com is pushing me to sign new end user agreements. Must be related to the Supreme Court decision, but I can't tell by reading through them. Endless piles of legalese designed to obscure.
Imagine having to agree to arbitration just to watch TV. That's the world we live in. Rights awarded by law then signed away by the fine print.
The day is soon to come when you buy a new widget and it fails to arrive. Sign in to Amazon to leave a bad seller review and it says "No longer allowed. Didn't you read the fine print? We own you!"
You have to agree to relinquish your rights just to drive to work and home again, or listen to the radio, or send an email. Didn't Anonymous used to say: "All your bases are belong to us!"? Now the big corporations all say: "All your rights belong to us" and the courts go along. "Rule by Secrecy", that old Jim Marrs conspiracy theory book has become "Rule by Obscurity".
I don't disagree (people would be amazed to find out what they have already agreed to), but just wanted to reply share the fun fact that all your base are belong to us is actually originated from a 1989 Japanese arcade game. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
Yes, I noticed this, and wondered which way the wind is blowing, meaning is it blowing from evil Hubbard/Scientology/Crap-Lawyers out to the world, or vice versa, is Hubbard's/Miscavige's cutting edge legal agreements just following outside US legal world totalitarian drift!
I think it back up a few steps to the western legalistic mindset that is protecting their greed vice, meaning money is their "God" today, lawyers who are so smart to game the loopholes to earn their big money from their big clients, the top lawyers' greed vice, is ultimately the human problem. Greed is good club horrible wrong mindset that pervades earth.
But Techie, I really love all your posts, you do think outside the cult so well, you were and are so durned smart. Thankyou eternally for all your shared thoughts.
Never sign Scientology's legal forms which take away your rights, ever.
Voluntary totalitarian abuse is what you gain by signing Scientology's lawyers' crafted cult legal agreements.
You know you are in a cult when they make you sign contracts to give up the decision making opinion about what is abusive or not.
Scientology: Legally Abusive to You, Because You Signed the Cult Member Contracts. Legal in the US!
This gives a really bad odor to US justice, if the legal system cannot parse legalized cult abuse.
NEVER sign any Scientology "contracts" giving Scientology the right to determine what is abuse to you or not, as that means outside wiser (US courts) minds have given you up to the cult mindset that will determine in their minds what is abuse to you or not.
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Mike Rinder's site has covered the L. Ron Hubbard depraved Scientology mindset which is now how Scientology will view ex Scientologists who have signed those legal agreements.
I can't believe this is happening, that the US legal system can't see letting a cult abuse their members through depraved/unfair legal contracts, is fundamentally inhumane and wrong.
NEVER sign any contracts or legal forms with Scientology, never ever ever.
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Walk ins and newbies to Scientology need to be informed NOT SIGN ANY LEGAL AGREEMENTS with Scientology. Quit on the spot, leave, and call police if the Scientologists try to detain you.
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Way back in 1975 when I idiotically ridiculously stupidly decided to go into Scientology, even then, friends and acquaintances WARNED not to sign anything.
In fact it just slaps you in the face, if you look at the book flap plate page in the fronts of the cheap Hubbard Scientology books, there's a legal statement right there, putting all the blame on you who is walking into this nasty abusive cult. It warns you it's all going to be ALL your fault, and not blame Scientology, etc.
So, I foolishly thought, in 1975, that at least going into a Scientology organization was the correct way to study Scientology.
Wrong.
If a human being wishes to study Scientology within Scientology's confines, they will have to have you sign legal contracts abusive and unfair to you.
Thus, this is a fundamental reason for NOT studying Scientology within Scientology's confines where they force you to sign a contract legally before you even get to the class room to study under Scientology's rules.
I can't even imagine what second gen Scientologists whose parents weened them into Scientology's horrible abusive "give up all your rights to us" situation. I at least was at fault, for signing all those damned slanted unfair Scientology cult legal forms in my totally wasted 27 years I devoted to the Hubbard cult of Scientology.
US legal system is letting slide Scientology's cult abuse. And if that is the status quo, then word of mouth warning needs to validly WARN the world of Scientology's evil Hubbard depraved "world" that official Scientologists are brainwashed to be happy within.
So let me get this straight the Supreme Court ruling doesn’t apply because it claims that ruling only applies if multiple contradictory contracts have been signed. Sort of like when a Scientologist has to sign a contract to do each individual service or, in some cases, to visit a friend who is at an organization visiting a friend you mean?
Is that different because the Court is not told that there are dozens of contracts that have been sifted through to find the most damning? The difference, of course, is that in real life if two parties sign a contract, BOTH parties get a copy. If you are forced to sign a contract in order to do something in a control group posing as a religion, you are not allowed the time to read it, nor are you given a copy of it to read at your leisure. And, most telling, there is no three day right to cancel, because of course, you are not given the contract to pursue in the privacy of your own home so you don’t know it is unconscionable.
If the attorneys for Scientology were any different, like if they hadn’t already been co opted by greed years ago, I’d tell them to go sit in the Haney arbitration for one day and come back and repeat this. “None of what Plaintiffs say about their claims or the utterly irrelevant Court ordered Haney arbitration ongoing in Los Angeles is appropriate for a motion for reconsideration. Nor is it remotely truth.”
In the legal system, there are attorneys who fight for justice and rich attorneys who lost their souls and look for lawful ways to circumvent justice. The more opulent an attorney’s office is, the uglier their soul. I hope the judge does what’s right. It’s so hard to trust the legal system.
I love the cover of the WTH pamphlet with the sunflower and blue parrot. The Norwegian Blue is the king of parrots and even if it must to nailed to the perch, it is still King. What a metaphor for the Clampire!!!
The Coinbase judgement requires courts to determine which contract is in play and that the courts determine that. Judge Barber now gets to sort out what contracts are in effect and they may consider how 'good' the arbitration requirement is done. The legality of that contract can now be decided by the Judge.
Using my legal skills (none but a passing acquaintance with the Uniform Commercial Code) I think that the $cieno can of worms can now be opened. As for Miscavige trying to sever any connection to the arbitration requirement, Judge Barber now gets to slap that head fake down as DM can't sever his connection to past and current rulings.
Is there an attorney Somewhere who will do what they can to bring this abuse to the light? I should say to justice because it has been brought to the light. It is hard to understand how this can continue to happen and no one cares. Warren Jeffs is a good example of what CAN be done. Little Davy should be sitting in a cell along with him. There are so many people who have been abused by this cult ,and yes, some have left, but they have never had justice for the abuses that they endured. There are many who are still in and are still being subjected to the abuse that is rampant in this cult. Are we still the land of the free?
Just watched a documentary about the IFB, another church that is being investigated and members successfully prosecuted for crimes against minors. Better run and stay in hiding Dave. Your time is coming
I think ALL persons walking into Scientology, as a newbie, today, need to be armed with a RIPCORD to pull your parachute, to get you back OUT of the confines of a Scientology building where they are persisting in keeping you there longer than you wish.
SAY to the Scientologists, this ripcord statement, it's the get out of jail/SCientology saying, keep saying this over and over, the whole statement, don't continue to say anything else or answer their further questions:
Anyone else notice a rash of new terms of service popping up? Everything from my LG TV to Ancestry.com is pushing me to sign new end user agreements. Must be related to the Supreme Court decision, but I can't tell by reading through them. Endless piles of legalese designed to obscure.
Imagine having to agree to arbitration just to watch TV. That's the world we live in. Rights awarded by law then signed away by the fine print.
The day is soon to come when you buy a new widget and it fails to arrive. Sign in to Amazon to leave a bad seller review and it says "No longer allowed. Didn't you read the fine print? We own you!"
You have to agree to relinquish your rights just to drive to work and home again, or listen to the radio, or send an email. Didn't Anonymous used to say: "All your bases are belong to us!"? Now the big corporations all say: "All your rights belong to us" and the courts go along. "Rule by Secrecy", that old Jim Marrs conspiracy theory book has become "Rule by Obscurity".
I don't disagree (people would be amazed to find out what they have already agreed to), but just wanted to reply share the fun fact that all your base are belong to us is actually originated from a 1989 Japanese arcade game. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
Yes, I noticed this, and wondered which way the wind is blowing, meaning is it blowing from evil Hubbard/Scientology/Crap-Lawyers out to the world, or vice versa, is Hubbard's/Miscavige's cutting edge legal agreements just following outside US legal world totalitarian drift!
I think it back up a few steps to the western legalistic mindset that is protecting their greed vice, meaning money is their "God" today, lawyers who are so smart to game the loopholes to earn their big money from their big clients, the top lawyers' greed vice, is ultimately the human problem. Greed is good club horrible wrong mindset that pervades earth.
But Techie, I really love all your posts, you do think outside the cult so well, you were and are so durned smart. Thankyou eternally for all your shared thoughts.
Never sign Scientology's legal forms which take away your rights, ever.
Voluntary totalitarian abuse is what you gain by signing Scientology's lawyers' crafted cult legal agreements.
You know you are in a cult when they make you sign contracts to give up the decision making opinion about what is abusive or not.
Scientology: Legally Abusive to You, Because You Signed the Cult Member Contracts. Legal in the US!
This gives a really bad odor to US justice, if the legal system cannot parse legalized cult abuse.
NEVER sign any Scientology "contracts" giving Scientology the right to determine what is abuse to you or not, as that means outside wiser (US courts) minds have given you up to the cult mindset that will determine in their minds what is abuse to you or not.
-----------------------
Mike Rinder's site has covered the L. Ron Hubbard depraved Scientology mindset which is now how Scientology will view ex Scientologists who have signed those legal agreements.
I can't believe this is happening, that the US legal system can't see letting a cult abuse their members through depraved/unfair legal contracts, is fundamentally inhumane and wrong.
NEVER sign any contracts or legal forms with Scientology, never ever ever.
--------------------------------------
Walk ins and newbies to Scientology need to be informed NOT SIGN ANY LEGAL AGREEMENTS with Scientology. Quit on the spot, leave, and call police if the Scientologists try to detain you.
------------------------
Way back in 1975 when I idiotically ridiculously stupidly decided to go into Scientology, even then, friends and acquaintances WARNED not to sign anything.
In fact it just slaps you in the face, if you look at the book flap plate page in the fronts of the cheap Hubbard Scientology books, there's a legal statement right there, putting all the blame on you who is walking into this nasty abusive cult. It warns you it's all going to be ALL your fault, and not blame Scientology, etc.
So, I foolishly thought, in 1975, that at least going into a Scientology organization was the correct way to study Scientology.
Wrong.
If a human being wishes to study Scientology within Scientology's confines, they will have to have you sign legal contracts abusive and unfair to you.
Thus, this is a fundamental reason for NOT studying Scientology within Scientology's confines where they force you to sign a contract legally before you even get to the class room to study under Scientology's rules.
I can't even imagine what second gen Scientologists whose parents weened them into Scientology's horrible abusive "give up all your rights to us" situation. I at least was at fault, for signing all those damned slanted unfair Scientology cult legal forms in my totally wasted 27 years I devoted to the Hubbard cult of Scientology.
US legal system is letting slide Scientology's cult abuse. And if that is the status quo, then word of mouth warning needs to validly WARN the world of Scientology's evil Hubbard depraved "world" that official Scientologists are brainwashed to be happy within.
"Like gentle oil spread upon the raging sea, the calm will flow outward and outward."
This doesn't make sense. It's also not how the science works in the real world. Is that quote from Source? I...
So let me get this straight the Supreme Court ruling doesn’t apply because it claims that ruling only applies if multiple contradictory contracts have been signed. Sort of like when a Scientologist has to sign a contract to do each individual service or, in some cases, to visit a friend who is at an organization visiting a friend you mean?
Is that different because the Court is not told that there are dozens of contracts that have been sifted through to find the most damning? The difference, of course, is that in real life if two parties sign a contract, BOTH parties get a copy. If you are forced to sign a contract in order to do something in a control group posing as a religion, you are not allowed the time to read it, nor are you given a copy of it to read at your leisure. And, most telling, there is no three day right to cancel, because of course, you are not given the contract to pursue in the privacy of your own home so you don’t know it is unconscionable.
If the attorneys for Scientology were any different, like if they hadn’t already been co opted by greed years ago, I’d tell them to go sit in the Haney arbitration for one day and come back and repeat this. “None of what Plaintiffs say about their claims or the utterly irrelevant Court ordered Haney arbitration ongoing in Los Angeles is appropriate for a motion for reconsideration. Nor is it remotely truth.”
In the legal system, there are attorneys who fight for justice and rich attorneys who lost their souls and look for lawful ways to circumvent justice. The more opulent an attorney’s office is, the uglier their soul. I hope the judge does what’s right. It’s so hard to trust the legal system.
I love the cover of the WTH pamphlet with the sunflower and blue parrot. The Norwegian Blue is the king of parrots and even if it must to nailed to the perch, it is still King. What a metaphor for the Clampire!!!
The Coinbase judgement requires courts to determine which contract is in play and that the courts determine that. Judge Barber now gets to sort out what contracts are in effect and they may consider how 'good' the arbitration requirement is done. The legality of that contract can now be decided by the Judge.
Using my legal skills (none but a passing acquaintance with the Uniform Commercial Code) I think that the $cieno can of worms can now be opened. As for Miscavige trying to sever any connection to the arbitration requirement, Judge Barber now gets to slap that head fake down as DM can't sever his connection to past and current rulings.
Is there an attorney Somewhere who will do what they can to bring this abuse to the light? I should say to justice because it has been brought to the light. It is hard to understand how this can continue to happen and no one cares. Warren Jeffs is a good example of what CAN be done. Little Davy should be sitting in a cell along with him. There are so many people who have been abused by this cult ,and yes, some have left, but they have never had justice for the abuses that they endured. There are many who are still in and are still being subjected to the abuse that is rampant in this cult. Are we still the land of the free?
Just watched a documentary about the IFB, another church that is being investigated and members successfully prosecuted for crimes against minors. Better run and stay in hiding Dave. Your time is coming
I think ALL persons walking into Scientology, as a newbie, today, need to be armed with a RIPCORD to pull your parachute, to get you back OUT of the confines of a Scientology building where they are persisting in keeping you there longer than you wish.
SAY to the Scientologists, this ripcord statement, it's the get out of jail/SCientology saying, keep saying this over and over, the whole statement, don't continue to say anything else or answer their further questions:
XENU CAUSED THE WALL OF FIRE