Sicilians just love it when foreigners come and dig around old ruins without permission. Archaeologists had been working in Sicily for over 100 years before Hubbard’s invasive game.
You can imagine what would happen to any of those True Believers if they stood up and said "No, Ron is full of shit. There are tons of dirt over the features he described, and nobody can see through dirt."
That, Ron, is why real archaeologists have to dig to find things. Over time layers of dirt cover them.
There is also a little problem with coastlines. The sea level was quite different thousands of years ago. Some coastal features of the ancient world are now far inland, and others are underwater. Drawing a map from a thousand-year-old "memory" of a coastline will almost always be very wrong.
Hope some of those who were actually there will pop in and set the story straight. But as far as I know from some of the eye-witness stories I've heard, the "Mission Into Time" was a complete flop.
This was a transcript of a lecture given to the crew of the Scotman when the Avon River returned from their misadventure. Imagine being on the BC and sitting through 472 of these. When I was reading them I was taken back to having to help BC students figure out what words he was saying on tapes. It was a form of torture. And they paid for it.
Hubbard, of course, knew more than archaeologists. He was so dismissive of their knowledge and abilities, calling them bumblers. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that he had flunked an archaeological course in his past as well.
The past is never quite as you remember it and the ancient past is even less reliable in memory because landscapes have changed.
Even visiting some place I was 50 years ago I am not returning to the same place. Time has papered over what was there when I was there last. To pretend that you remember burying treasure in certain locations in ancient historical locations and having his ragtag band stumble on archaeological digs to prove his fantasy, he was trampling over history. I’d like to believe that had I been aware of this transcript before joining Scientology I would have had second thoughts. However, I don’t think I would because I hadn’t gotten the age-acquired cynicism it takes to view this with a critical eye.
The underlying tone of Hubbard’s lectures and books is complete certainty and confidence that what he is saying is accurate and true. He exuded almost perfect memory and perfect logic. He appeared to be right, enough of the time to convince me and his other followers that he had all the answers and secrets of the universe.
This is the primary attribute of a successful scam artist. Eventually the half truths and harm done to others catch’s up to the fraud, as it did with Hubbard. This “Mission Into Time” was Hubbard’s hubris. He perpetuated the dream we all had of immortality and perfect recall of all our past lives. He was a clever soul thief. The worst kind of criminal .
I think Lroon did his clay models or paper models from a decent map of the area. I really doubt that the locals would allow Lroon's minions to dig at any site and I know that there is no underwater city near present day Tunis. I call the whole 'mission into time' bovine excrement.
This story today and quoting, the fuller tape from which this came, and also the "Mission Into Time" book where I presume this is also printed, ought be used to locate L. Ron Hubbard's "case folder" sessions (worksheet papers on which he wrote of himself delving into his past lives memories, which are noted on his "worksheets" of his "case folders" and the "case folders" are all dated so it would be possible for a researcher to tie together the Hubbard paperwork of his "sessions" on himself, to what he is talking about in the lecture(s) and then the "Mission Into Time" book with the final horribly written and sloppy subjective final rambling descriptions.
This proves nothing, neither the lecture(s), nor the book, "Mission Into Time."
All it proves is that Hubbard tried to tie his past lives memories to current physical reality, which for himself and some of his followers, was "real."
But it's completely inadequate and ludicrously horribly bad and unproven.
The writing makes one's head hurt, Hubbard's writing is like he's pushing through a hangover by having taking some drugs, the writing/lecturing is horrible.
Reason never to ever believe Hubbard's output.
But, "Mission Into Time" is a must have book, to show how bad Hubbard's crap is.
If someone is living on the Hubbard positive hype, then "Mission Into Time" is proof that rather Hubbard's mind and memories are crap and one ought never be into this Hubbard spell of crap fantasy.
I hope someone sends Tony a copy of "Mission Into Time" so Tony has it as proof how bad Hubbard was/is on this past lives proving issue done by Hubbard.
Hubbard's output though, is like an albatross, it's something ex's might have continued to keep their troves of the Hubbard crap, and I have been through waves of collecting, then tossing, all my troves, and I even went through another trove in 2024, wasting hundreds of dollars on the EBay Hubbard crap, and I meticulously tossed all my recent collected Hubbard writings crap, again.
Save yourself, unless you are a university person, who is going to make a career of the Hubbard crap collection, do yourself a favor, and stop collecting the Hubbard crap. My advice, as one who has gone though "tens of thousands of dollars" (other people's massive collections they sent me, which before tossing those collections, I tried to pawn my free collections off to Kent and Beverley and Cowan, also I did give some sets to Touretzky).
No one wants this Hubbard horribly written ludicrous crapy. It's quackery nonsense.
"Rubbish" as John Sweeney rightly summarized it all into one word. Praise John Sweeney.
But, all this said, I do have some final nuggets of the Hubbard crap which I think ought be mentioned:
a) The Author Services Inc magazines
b) The "Hard Sell" Pack
c) The Creston Ranch magazine put out a week after LRH's death.
Those, if anyone has those, those are small, and I do think Tony ought to at least be the one to receive all those items, to do articles on.
Sicilians just love it when foreigners come and dig around old ruins without permission. Archaeologists had been working in Sicily for over 100 years before Hubbard’s invasive game.
“Ron is!” a bloviating dopehead with a penchant for Rum, pinks, greys and whatever else he could lay his hands on.
It would be interesting to hear if, for instance, Hannah Eltringham recollected it any differently today?
From 11:30 and on in the film on today's Underground Bunker. About the temple of Nora.
There was metal buried below, in a basement, and Hubbard was ebullient and swanned around in his "Island Outfit."
No, they did not actually dig up any treasure.
Gosh.
She talks about it in BFG podcasts I think part 1 in September 2023.
You can imagine what would happen to any of those True Believers if they stood up and said "No, Ron is full of shit. There are tons of dirt over the features he described, and nobody can see through dirt."
That, Ron, is why real archaeologists have to dig to find things. Over time layers of dirt cover them.
There is also a little problem with coastlines. The sea level was quite different thousands of years ago. Some coastal features of the ancient world are now far inland, and others are underwater. Drawing a map from a thousand-year-old "memory" of a coastline will almost always be very wrong.
Hope some of those who were actually there will pop in and set the story straight. But as far as I know from some of the eye-witness stories I've heard, the "Mission Into Time" was a complete flop.
This was a transcript of a lecture given to the crew of the Scotman when the Avon River returned from their misadventure. Imagine being on the BC and sitting through 472 of these. When I was reading them I was taken back to having to help BC students figure out what words he was saying on tapes. It was a form of torture. And they paid for it.
Hubbard, of course, knew more than archaeologists. He was so dismissive of their knowledge and abilities, calling them bumblers. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that he had flunked an archaeological course in his past as well.
The past is never quite as you remember it and the ancient past is even less reliable in memory because landscapes have changed.
Even visiting some place I was 50 years ago I am not returning to the same place. Time has papered over what was there when I was there last. To pretend that you remember burying treasure in certain locations in ancient historical locations and having his ragtag band stumble on archaeological digs to prove his fantasy, he was trampling over history. I’d like to believe that had I been aware of this transcript before joining Scientology I would have had second thoughts. However, I don’t think I would because I hadn’t gotten the age-acquired cynicism it takes to view this with a critical eye.
The underlying tone of Hubbard’s lectures and books is complete certainty and confidence that what he is saying is accurate and true. He exuded almost perfect memory and perfect logic. He appeared to be right, enough of the time to convince me and his other followers that he had all the answers and secrets of the universe.
This is the primary attribute of a successful scam artist. Eventually the half truths and harm done to others catch’s up to the fraud, as it did with Hubbard. This “Mission Into Time” was Hubbard’s hubris. He perpetuated the dream we all had of immortality and perfect recall of all our past lives. He was a clever soul thief. The worst kind of criminal .
I think Lroon did his clay models or paper models from a decent map of the area. I really doubt that the locals would allow Lroon's minions to dig at any site and I know that there is no underwater city near present day Tunis. I call the whole 'mission into time' bovine excrement.
This story today and quoting, the fuller tape from which this came, and also the "Mission Into Time" book where I presume this is also printed, ought be used to locate L. Ron Hubbard's "case folder" sessions (worksheet papers on which he wrote of himself delving into his past lives memories, which are noted on his "worksheets" of his "case folders" and the "case folders" are all dated so it would be possible for a researcher to tie together the Hubbard paperwork of his "sessions" on himself, to what he is talking about in the lecture(s) and then the "Mission Into Time" book with the final horribly written and sloppy subjective final rambling descriptions.
This proves nothing, neither the lecture(s), nor the book, "Mission Into Time."
All it proves is that Hubbard tried to tie his past lives memories to current physical reality, which for himself and some of his followers, was "real."
But it's completely inadequate and ludicrously horribly bad and unproven.
The writing makes one's head hurt, Hubbard's writing is like he's pushing through a hangover by having taking some drugs, the writing/lecturing is horrible.
Reason never to ever believe Hubbard's output.
But, "Mission Into Time" is a must have book, to show how bad Hubbard's crap is.
If someone is living on the Hubbard positive hype, then "Mission Into Time" is proof that rather Hubbard's mind and memories are crap and one ought never be into this Hubbard spell of crap fantasy.
https://www.amazon.com/Mission-into-Time-Scientology-book/dp/0884040232
I hope someone sends Tony a copy of "Mission Into Time" so Tony has it as proof how bad Hubbard was/is on this past lives proving issue done by Hubbard.
Hubbard's output though, is like an albatross, it's something ex's might have continued to keep their troves of the Hubbard crap, and I have been through waves of collecting, then tossing, all my troves, and I even went through another trove in 2024, wasting hundreds of dollars on the EBay Hubbard crap, and I meticulously tossed all my recent collected Hubbard writings crap, again.
Save yourself, unless you are a university person, who is going to make a career of the Hubbard crap collection, do yourself a favor, and stop collecting the Hubbard crap. My advice, as one who has gone though "tens of thousands of dollars" (other people's massive collections they sent me, which before tossing those collections, I tried to pawn my free collections off to Kent and Beverley and Cowan, also I did give some sets to Touretzky).
No one wants this Hubbard horribly written ludicrous crapy. It's quackery nonsense.
"Rubbish" as John Sweeney rightly summarized it all into one word. Praise John Sweeney.
But, all this said, I do have some final nuggets of the Hubbard crap which I think ought be mentioned:
a) The Author Services Inc magazines
b) The "Hard Sell" Pack
c) The Creston Ranch magazine put out a week after LRH's death.
Those, if anyone has those, those are small, and I do think Tony ought to at least be the one to receive all those items, to do articles on.