So a 'freeloader' bill can be full cost or 1/2 cost? If I read it correctly, some staff members only get 1/2 off of the 'donation rates' Such a deal. The use of 'guardians' that have 'officially' taken charge of minors was a fairly common thing in the past.
Clams would set up a guardian for those at the 'Mace Kingsly Ranch' or other living arrangements and then the parents would disappear from their child's life. What could go wrong? Well, your 14 year old child could be 'recruited' to any staff or Sea bOrg job and the 'guardian' would of course, approve that. Put that little thetan to work. Its time they earned their keep.
Tony and Claire: I don't know the details of the contracts in the other cases. I did notice that Claire's contract was signed in 1991 BUT CoS was not granted tax-exempt 'religious' status in the US until 1993.
I am not a lawyer, but I think that would give Scientology less standing in the US courts that the arbitration agreed to in that contract should be legally considered 'religious' in nature and so go through their process. [Which means it would be more risky to try to force arbitration back then.]
Agree! I was just thinking about their question of why didn't they try to do forced arbitration in earlier cases. Wondered if the contracts signed they thought they could use in the case were before they were granted status as a 'church'.
IIRC, between Claire and Marc, they were assessed a freeloader debt of over $150,000. For services and auditing. Some of the courses they took were mandatory training to be in Sea Org. They were paid a maximum of $50/week while in Sea Org while working 12 hour minimum days, and more overnighters than not. They had little or no private time.
Doing the math here IF they had gotten full pay for 30 years, they would have been paid $78,000 for a 30 year tenure on the job. That’s a whopping $2600/year. Even if they only worked 40 hour weeks, which they did not ever, that’s $1.25/hour for 30 years.
Realistically they were paid pennies per hour based on actual pay they got.
And yet Scientology has the gall to call them freeloaders because they got the training an average Scientologist who was on public courses would be able to do in a couple of years.
WHO is the freeloader here? Once again, Scientology.
Tony and Claire, very informative interview. Specially Tony’s statements regarding how our justice system is not set up to deal with an organization like Scientology where lying is supported as the greatest good for the organization that hides behind the curtain of religion.
First of all, I want to remind everyone I've not participated in Scientology, so I have no stake in the outcome except my heart screaming at me and the empathy I have for the Plaintiffs. I have much to say and intend everyone reading my words will hear:
There is no justice in American courts and very little on other countries either. It behooves me why I judge wouid make a tentative ruling before a day in court, doesn't make sense.
If the Janes had a Common Law court to hear their cases, it would be resolved already The cases would be heard by a jury of one's peers.
Lastly, which may not matter to anyone, but it sure does to me when I found out there is a 2-letter word we have been taught causing us to subconsciously accept many lies about governments, which most are corporations, incuding the USA; banking, mortgages, religions, etc. The word IN, means we accept all the legal bureaucratic bullshit in what area we are claiming to be IN. We are ON a planet, we are ON an area named ?, which are all man-made. A little word with HUGE deceit.
There are many reasons why the US government can't and won't go after Scientology, the US government is committing many, if not more, of the same crimes as Scientology. In common law, a crime occurs when harm is done to anyone.
So a 'freeloader' bill can be full cost or 1/2 cost? If I read it correctly, some staff members only get 1/2 off of the 'donation rates' Such a deal. The use of 'guardians' that have 'officially' taken charge of minors was a fairly common thing in the past.
Clams would set up a guardian for those at the 'Mace Kingsly Ranch' or other living arrangements and then the parents would disappear from their child's life. What could go wrong? Well, your 14 year old child could be 'recruited' to any staff or Sea bOrg job and the 'guardian' would of course, approve that. Put that little thetan to work. Its time they earned their keep.
Tony and Claire: I don't know the details of the contracts in the other cases. I did notice that Claire's contract was signed in 1991 BUT CoS was not granted tax-exempt 'religious' status in the US until 1993.
I am not a lawyer, but I think that would give Scientology less standing in the US courts that the arbitration agreed to in that contract should be legally considered 'religious' in nature and so go through their process. [Which means it would be more risky to try to force arbitration back then.]
And she was 16! She wasn’t old enough to sign the contract no matter what.
Agree! I was just thinking about their question of why didn't they try to do forced arbitration in earlier cases. Wondered if the contracts signed they thought they could use in the case were before they were granted status as a 'church'.
IIRC, between Claire and Marc, they were assessed a freeloader debt of over $150,000. For services and auditing. Some of the courses they took were mandatory training to be in Sea Org. They were paid a maximum of $50/week while in Sea Org while working 12 hour minimum days, and more overnighters than not. They had little or no private time.
Doing the math here IF they had gotten full pay for 30 years, they would have been paid $78,000 for a 30 year tenure on the job. That’s a whopping $2600/year. Even if they only worked 40 hour weeks, which they did not ever, that’s $1.25/hour for 30 years.
Realistically they were paid pennies per hour based on actual pay they got.
And yet Scientology has the gall to call them freeloaders because they got the training an average Scientologist who was on public courses would be able to do in a couple of years.
WHO is the freeloader here? Once again, Scientology.
Tony and Claire, very informative interview. Specially Tony’s statements regarding how our justice system is not set up to deal with an organization like Scientology where lying is supported as the greatest good for the organization that hides behind the curtain of religion.
First of all, I want to remind everyone I've not participated in Scientology, so I have no stake in the outcome except my heart screaming at me and the empathy I have for the Plaintiffs. I have much to say and intend everyone reading my words will hear:
There is no justice in American courts and very little on other countries either. It behooves me why I judge wouid make a tentative ruling before a day in court, doesn't make sense.
If the Janes had a Common Law court to hear their cases, it would be resolved already The cases would be heard by a jury of one's peers.
Lastly, which may not matter to anyone, but it sure does to me when I found out there is a 2-letter word we have been taught causing us to subconsciously accept many lies about governments, which most are corporations, incuding the USA; banking, mortgages, religions, etc. The word IN, means we accept all the legal bureaucratic bullshit in what area we are claiming to be IN. We are ON a planet, we are ON an area named ?, which are all man-made. A little word with HUGE deceit.
There are many reasons why the US government can't and won't go after Scientology, the US government is committing many, if not more, of the same crimes as Scientology. In common law, a crime occurs when harm is done to anyone.